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People who are interested in living in a long-term network state node (so, permanent location, not popup), what are some properties that you would like such a node to have?

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Must be a great place to raise my kids More specifically: safe, has other families with kids my age, vibe-aligned, good education (co-op/alt ed is good), social support for parents Ideally safe enough for an 8yo to roam free without adult oversight and low risk from cars

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Good weather & sunshine Access to nature, specifically mountains and water <7 hour flight from home Good job opportunities Great schooling options for kids

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ability to defend from government intrusion

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What’s the real difference between a nation-state and a network state with a permanent location? Like, wouldn’t it just end up being an “innovative” nation-state that uses last tech advancements and trying out new market, governance, taxation and redistribution mechanisms? I get that network states might need less enforcement in some cases, but how would they enforce still important laws? Would it still come down to physical enforcement? And if so, does that mean they’d have a monopoly on violence, like a traditional state? Even if the law enforcement becomes private, we’re not changing much the primitives, and that would be necessary at least for stuff like boundaries and sovereignty, no? And what happens when people have kids, do the kids automatically become citizens of the network state? What if they are poor? Will some rights be above everything? Honestly I’m struggling not to think that a permanent location network state wouldn’t eventually just morph into a nation-state.

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If this helps, if Chiang Mai, with its multiple pop up cities in the month leading up to devcon, were a permanent location, I’d live there full time Top Reasons - lots of people with similar interests to me - still a city with all the amenities you could want close by - good weather - cheap

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the basics matter the most I think: comfortable climate, clean air and water, fast internet, sports facilities around, quality food access, fast deliveries of things from the internet, transport connectivity to the world etc, everything else is quite easy to develop or adopt I think legal wise an ability to work remotely, setup company with minimal or no buroucracy, have a resident status or passport obviously crypto allowed to be used for personal reasons and within the node openly and privately will be adding more thoughts in replies to this cast

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- there's a physical decentralization/security, i.e. EDCs have multiple WLAN access to Ethereum - more bazaar, less cathedral - transparently distinct privacy vs "world oracle" spaces - "Kowloon commons" mentality, i.e. open solarpunk community center w/ unfettered community activity/infra on periphery many such facets.

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a long-term network state node should have strong community values, self-sustainability, robust infrastructure, decentralized governance, access to resources, innovation hubs, and a focus on collective growth.

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Sovereign/independent legal system and judiciary

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- good weather - clean basic infrastructure (water & sewerage) - some sort of body of water nearby, beach :) - airport access, ideally a major hub but maybe one hop is ok - strong property rights, i should be able to do whatever I want on a piece of property I own - it should be large (I’ve seen NS’s that are like a city block, I want more space) - great hospital - crypto enabled (payments, access, voting, transparency, etc)

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+ An ability to receive all the same goods (fresh quality foods etc) as a large cosmopolitan city + A full service private airport + A fully equipped ER / Pharmacy + A secure deal with Starlink The rest of things — including school, recreation, etc — we can build internally

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Make it easy to raise kids and have a family

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A community cafeteria. Was just talking about how every neighbourhood needs a come and go as you wish food space. Chef's Together at Lanna served this purpose pretty well. Related sidenote: Community ovens feel like theyre a predecessor to this. Apparently a very old and cross-cultural phenomena. https://www.citynibbler.com/home/2019/2/20/communal-ovens-morocco?format=amp

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- security/self-sufficient around: water, food, housing, energy - 1st and 4th amendment but no homeland security loopholes - mandatory green space per human ratio that can never be amended - mandatory community/military service - no 9-5 systems/schools infrastructure - secular (yet allows religious activity/congregation in private) - direct democracy with fixed 8year terms; no way to topple except majority vote - fixed tax %age based on wealth (not income) - coastal location with mountains - no immigration except by birth after first cohort; no dual citizenship - no state media; no foreign media; no for profit journalism ie a cocktail of finland, vancouver, hawaii, japan and singapore

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Education (children) from school age to university. Health, good hospitals, to support all ages / conditions. Safety. Culture . Nature. Job security / future for myself and family members. Obviously affordability.

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Small village in nature, clean water access, community of neighbors willing to help, availability for kids to play on the street (little to cero car traffic), speed internet connection, space for growing a vegetable garden. Sun at least during several months a year

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Hoverboards and jet packs for commuting 😁

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safe environment, modern education for children, good healthcare, a focus on sports and wellness, places for networking

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Strong autonomy and ability to fend for itself. Don't want another Próspera vs Honduras situation.

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