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Discuss https://x.com/jacobandreou/status/1832665444651880628

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Imo he’s right that users don’t want to choose their algo That doesn’t mean the user’s ability to choose isn’t extremely important

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i'm assuming the argument here is that choices overwhelm the user. this is true, but there is no rule that "choosing an algorithm" must be complicated, or that it must be forced on the user. twitter allows you to create lists of curated content in separate feeds. that sounds very similar to "choosing an algorithm" to me.

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Perhaps this is the wrong framing. I don't want to "choose an algorithm". But I do want my feed to maximise "time well spent" instead of trying to capture every last bit of my attention.

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x has "for you" and “following”?

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What if most users are builders? Like here?

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I don't understand what this means. 1. Is it a bad idea because it will ruin your product for some reason? 2. Is it a bad idea because users will be driven away if they are given the option to choose an algo? 3. Is it just a clickbait to state that most users will not care about this option even if you offer it, and you have to consider if it's worth the cost to satisfy this very small percentage that will get value out of it?

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arent the consumers the users?? i think the best consumer product is one that allows consumer opinions

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lately when I refresh warpcast, I constantly get different cast to show up, sometimes i just refresh multiple times for the sake of doing it in hopes the top cast catches my attention. Most times I feel disappointed so I revert back to my manual creation of notifications. I think if the UX is done right, choosing your algo is worthwhile if the user can have the sense of the change. If not, "choose an app not algo" applies as Dan says. Just requires deep creativity imo.

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Imo this view underestimates users. They are actually capable of choosing what's best for themselves, with the right UI. https://warpcast.com/dwr.eth/0x66d33315

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Most users just need a default option, but some power users would want choices. I'm sure that if you tell people algo Y is good for whatever metric they want to maximize they'd rather have the choice than not

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Lettting users chose their algo is definitely a way to go; how you consume the content is in your hands. Sometimes i want a chronological feed and some other times i don’t mind it being random… I don’t agree with this; i might be missing something or maybe it’s because I am not creating/investing in consumer apps.

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The idea has its merits, but also presents its own challenges tho. For most consumer products, simplifying choices and relying on expert-designed algorithms might be a better approach to give way for an engaging user experience.

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Aren’t all users choosing an algo as a consequence of what app they use? Something tells me curation and moderation are company scale endeavors

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Do you think the issue is that users don't actually know what they want from an algorithm, or is it more about the complexity of designing one that balances user preferences with engagement?

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I think there’s some conflation of terminology here but taking him at face value, I agree. If he means users shouldn’t be able to curate what they see to some extent then it’s a hard disagree.

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if you sent me a website right now with N algorithms (marketplace) that I could buy as an NFT and that had a finite supply I would buy 5 (given the infra that we’d have where to plug them, ofc)

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This is quite controversial to me I feel algorithms are great indicators, from which a lot of relevant information could be deduced Ignoring algorithms means ignoring relevant data Why would you think consumer products changes the need for algorithms ?? Difference in pattern among different individuals??

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while giving users control over algorithms seems empowering, it can lead to confusion. its better for the product team to optimize the experience based on data. how do you think we can balance user input with effective curation?

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