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@rish
are there any human institutions that have zero corruption? at an abstract level, social creatures and zero corruption seem to be at opposite ends
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Diego Basch
@dbasch
How would you define corruption? A reasonable definition would be "a situation in which those who break the rules sometimes get away with it." It's impossible for me to imagine a situation in which nobody breaks any rules, or in which all rule breakers get caught every time.
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@kamil
Could you redefine what corruption means to you? Imo, from a micro perspective, niche and small human institution can operate with close to zero corruption, which I understand is a result of passion/commitment to a mission or vision.
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Rohit Kulshreshtha
@rohit
Are there any examples of voting based consensus making decisions that harm the group, for small groups?
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@gabe
None. It’s like asking if there’s any information that isn’t propaganda.
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@syed
Rephrasing this: does power necessarily corrupt? Which begs the question what is corruption? I guess doing something that helps self instead of group or worse that harms group. Which is shortsighted as helping group helps self more. Question of inability>delayed gratification?
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@manan
Isn’t this exactly why we’re replacing institutions with programs on a blockchain?
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Antonio García Martínez
@antonio
"Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made."
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Ben
@benersing
Washington DC -> solution...just institutionalize corruption and name it something else.
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Les Greys
@les
The wild side, the closer you get into humanitarian efforts the more prevalent corruption seems.
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@july
Corruption is a perspective, not an objective state imo When other counties have corruption it’s bad When America does it it’s called spreading democracy - because America
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Karthik Senthil
@karthiksenthil
Its a really good question. I'd say probably the best-run corporations b/c incentives are all aligned towards the 7 deadly sins
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@michael
If you define corruption as 'an unofficial workaround to get things done' then I doubt it, there's always a shortcut Exception: the DMV
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@bpo
Tibetan Buddhist organizations comes pretty darn close I think
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@4484
corruption is normal. but there needs to a certain level of accountability and audit where pervasive corruption can be eventually rooted out and replaced.
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@alexstein
Something I think is fascinating is also if there is a non-zero optimal level of corruption. I thought about this after reading how getting rid of earmarks destroyed Congressional bipartisan cooperation. When there's no way to profit, people become locked in ideology.
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@anubhav
The monks
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Breck Yunits
@breck
We all have our good parts and bad parts. Highly recommend Minsky's "Society of Mind".
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@ryodogg
Probably not. In many societies and organizations, some degree of corruption is needed to maintain law and order.
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@nathan
Is a family, within the confines of their own household, corrupt? I suppose it depends on the time span being looked at.. given infinite time, covenant breaking actions driven by survival instincts are bound to kick in Good thought exercise!
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