Ethereum

ok the fast approval of EIP-7514 actually makes me question the ethereum credible neutrality for the first time ever

if this goes live in Dencun, it clearly shows that the core devs can push changes to the network at will

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trying to sound smart /doingnumbers

even assuming this change is necessary, the only reasonable action from non core dev stakeholders (circle / tether / coinbase) is to monitor next updates more closely and start having stronger voice in the governance

and this is an easy path for them to start using their highest leverage — forking the network

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yeah, i don't doubt the good intent and it's probably the lesser evil

But isn’t the purpose of EIP–7514 precisely to “slow down time” so the whole governance has more time to deliberate on a way to address the beacon chain’s overload? So a rushed but temporary remedy, only so that everyone can think through the long term solution much more deeply and collectively.

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1/2 good q, im asking myself this question as well

i don't have a good answer myself — i feel like thus far things were achieved after few months of EIPs sitting in github, random people had a chance to look at them and people like @sassal.eth or @evanvanness would cover them in their content

what are the milestones that need to be hit or what is the amount of time for an EIP to be in discussion that would not make you feel this way?

Good memetic potential here, could be the "low-interest rate phenomenon" of Ethereum. (What if I told you there's no such thing as a "pre-MEV world?")

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idk either, decided to err on the side of caution this time (im usually trusting, and not verifying anything that comes from core devs, they are great people)

still learning on the actual process https://warpcast.com/cayman.eth/0x5bd829

I saw @sassal.eth's rant on last weeks refuel. It's an interesting debate, how much time is enough time for the community to have input. Idk 🤷‍♂️ 

I guess my only comment to your cast is does it "clearly" show that the core devs can push changes to the network at will. I personally don't think so but idk

thanks for replying here @dankrad, i really appreciate it

>I also think that we need to be able to coordinate much quicker than we do today, on the order of days not weeks.

what improvements to the process / ecosystem would you make to achieve it? happy to contribute some time, code or content to help

I think this is a very interesting question. I was very ambivalent about this EIP myself -- initially I was against it but changed my mind as it being the best thing to do right now, precisely because the hard fork process is very slow and drawn out.

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> influencers control what goes in

oh boy i have a controversial opinion on this

i believe eth influencers mostly deserve their place in the ecosystem. people like @sassal.eth @evanvanness or @ryanb.eth just put a ton of work to publish high quality content regularly and also spend a lot of time talking to core devs

I do wonder if Ethereum's govnance approach of "social consensus" ultimately ends similar to on chain governance.  It seems to be a case of the community influencers control what goes in vs the largest token holders.  It perhaps works currently when there are (hopefully!) good actors but that may not always be the case

Not that it will assuage your fears, but the EIP was first discussed on the July 13 call

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that actually makes things better

do you think that the process was actually long enough?

i’m still forming my opinion, wanted to open the discussion to learn more

Not that it will assuage your fears, but the EIP was first discussed on the July 13 call https://github.com/ethereum/pm/issues/823

I was also very critical and was pointed to the first draft of the proposal which was published in early July. Given that most of us are builders here, we should create a better ui for viewing the status of eips

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I was also very critical and was pointed to the first draft of the proposal which was published in early July. Given that most of us are builders here, we should create a better ui for viewing the status of eips

https://github.com/ethereum/consensus-specs/pull/3448

https://warpcast.com/woj.eth/0x604dee here is part 2

happy to discuss — we need to speed run a lot of discussions on this

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dunno, it is not the EIP you would like to protest against.. but I agree it feels rushed