Murtaza Hussain on Warpcast

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Murtaza Hussain

I claimed a bunch of Moxie token over the past few days – this appears to have accumulated organically as a result of my casts and interactions. I cannot tell what the mechanism is by which this occurs but it seems to be that when certain people respond to you it generates a lot of Moxie, whereas others do not. So you may have a trending and popular post but if the more powerful accounts don't engage with it there is not much Moxie generated. I think it would be more democratic and come closer to achieving organic economic viability if the mechanism were more based on engagement agnostically rather than favoring certain accounts. At least the favoritism should not be so wildly disproportionate and can allow for posts enjoyed by lowbies to generate rewards rather than building around a few power users.

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unfortunately agnostic engagement is hard to measure in a way that isn’t vulnerable to manipulation, especially on an open network social capital systems are bad but better than any other option for something like this but it’s pretty nice to have an open protocol where anyone can compute their own version of engagement score

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Thanks for feedback! The system is working as intended. 10,000 bots don't have the same authority or ability to affect the score vs. one comment or recast by Vitalik. Users earn "social capital" by building up their reputation in the network and then they spend their social capital every time they engage, which signals to other people in the network that that content is worth paying attention to if it was entirely based on total engagement it would be overrun by bots immediately and fall over

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Let's get on an audio space or unlonely and discuss it and debate it! cc @geoffgolberg @cameron

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one other thing i'd point out: the Fan Tokens help level the playing field! not earning enough points on your own yet? You can by Fan Tokens of top earners and share in their rewards

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it is extremely top-heavy, I agree that it would be more interesting if the drop-off wasn’t so steep from the top. This is how Farcaster is designed. I accepted early on that this is the way it is here so if I want to be here, this is part of it. I do believe that FarScore (rank) is highly dependent on number of followers. A person’s FarScore corresponds to the value of one of their likes. A reply is a multiple of their score. If other people in the network get more followers, in theory, their FarScore and value of their interaction could catch up.

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agreed, but this is where crypto-enabled strangers say "no, u". if we try 1 vote systems, the complexity of preventing sybil attacks runs away from the initial intent to crowdmeasure rhetorical/memetic power. collusion resistance is also complex/undiscovered. I think @vitalik.eth 's "Trust Models" (ipfs://bafybeich5qo7pzecsojkrlgr6wcbzc4gh3gbluwrnr2wglbekihvgon7ma/general/2020/08/20/trust.html) lays out the compelling case for certain techniques & the kind of discretion for applying them. as far as Moxie, I do agree that the signal could be improved, but I honestly don't see how that can work w/ moderated "focus groupchat multisig", repeated so many times that conspicuous collusion can be appropriately weighted. and that costs bandwidth. eventually we'll coalesce into meso-bodies to meet halfway.

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Favoritizing a limited group of accounts in Web3 leads to a loss of users in the medium term, as the goal of users is engagement, driven by our desire to participate in the economy. This detail is still not taken into account. Instead, with Web3 intentions, platforms with a Web2 philosophy continue to be created, where the mechanics of a small group of content creators and a large group of content consumers are in play. Analysts often cite the dynamics in X as a positive example, but there, only the crypto bubble should be measured, where the outflow is very significant and, in my opinion, the reason is not just the bear market.

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At least new users can get the results, for their hard work

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It's a long way to decide though!

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if it favored engagement indiscriminately then @geoffgolberg's homeboys with the warehouses full of users would create 100k accounts and just reply to each other. there are issues with leveling and the weights and they do lead to unintended outcomes but the way to solve it is def not to 'democratize' it

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100% agree with this @mazmhussain. Thank your for sharing. The way I selecter to voice my concern got me (and others) marked as a spammer on this platform causing this reply to only show below 'show more' under your cast

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It seems to work in a similar way that the power badges were granted/kept before: you are given Moxie from incoming interactions and the higher ranked that person is, the more Moxie you get. A reply from DWR gets your post $50 worth of Moxie, for instance (and would have helped you get a power badge before). So yeah, sets up a situation where people are clamoring from attention from the already popular and not so much conversations between each other or growing their network. It’s hard to figure out how to “fix” that.

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Here's the list of the top 2k (a bit outdated) https://farscore.vercel.app/ the tough thing about raising the floor is it makes way for engagement farms to just engage with each other

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I would totally agree to you But if it were made that public, we both know what could happen It's sad to see, but i think it's better long term, because this isn't the way they want users to earn moxie from the most, it's just the fun part

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Yes, Hussain, you nailed it. 🖤

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If it wasn't such a disparity between Moxie generated by the big accounts and most people, the behavior of baiting replies from big accounts wouldn't be incentivize as much. On the other hand you run into the problem where if it's too open then it will be more easily botted and farmed by people just spamming for the token. 🤔

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Glad to see you getting into it! 100% agree the current system of using your FarScore on Airstack.xyz isn’t fair, it’s super top heavy and a like from Dan is worth more than 400 likes from me. This score needs work, thx for getting that message out there.

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