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i'm going to fail at putting this into words but i want to have this discussion: i have noticed that most popular philosophy focuses on detachment (stoicism, buddhism/taoism, rationality and abstract reasoning, etc) most of philosophy was generated in a time where women weren't allowed to contribute to the larger collective knowledge or participate in any educational system so my discussion/q is: if most philosophy originates from men, who historically view attachment (and therefor, emotion) as largely negative, what would philosophy be like if people more accepting of and in touch with their emotions contributed to the field of philosophy? is stoicism really a philosophy that can help you feel better, when most current research indicates that connection and community are the biggest predictors of life satisfaction? (my little research did show me that female philosophers focus on relationality, embodiment, care ethics, less abstract/universal philosophies, situated knowledge vs absolute knowledge, etc)

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tldr; there's a difference in philosophies theorized and researched by men vs women it seems like philosophies written by women align more with current research about life satisfaction i would like to discuss this :)

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like, is original philosophy from BC times (when it was all men) really just ancient dudes being like "emotions make me uncomfortable and idk how to deal with them or talk about them, so let's get rid of them" ??

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Great cast!! There's def been several prominent male philosophers who've articulated the other vision, which you're highlighting here. Eg: David R. Hawkins (Letting Go) There's a masculine and feminine way to relate to the world and, petsonally, I deeply believe these need to be balanced in a person wen /felosophy

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This is the most thought provoking question I’ve heard in a while.

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I think I'm being sub-casted and that's OK. :) I also think you're on to something, and I'm going to sit with it.

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I think there’s a difference between acceptance and attachment and how I’ve interpreted philosophy from women is that is centered on care and acceptance not necessarily in attachment. One of the philosophers I admire is Simone Weil, who really talked about living your philosophy rather than just “talking” about it. For her, philosophy was a matter of action based in truth and “truth must be based in something lived or experienced”.

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definitely true that male philosophers for instance think that the essence of their beings are essentially their minds, that life and value consists in thinking rather than being embodied, having a soul that’s expressed in your face, etc. seems rather naive.

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The medium is the message, if the medium for philosophy is men, then it’s probably reflected in the output! This being said i think that these popular philosophies are ancient - male philosophers in recent centuries from Descartes , Kant to modern Foucault, Deleuze and current ones seem to have moved past detachment? Not sure So I agree that the issue is about what’s popular today - and I agree that these are male driven trends, especially stoicism in tech lol

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This is a great question On the shortcomings of stoicism, Cochrane’s “Christianity and Classical Culture” is illuminating I won’t do it justice but as you say these philosophies fall short precisely because they fail to embrace humankind’s need to participate in community

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Been reading a lot on this lately. Heidegger's big contribution were on the limits of rationality and in many ways sort of ended the majority of the thread of Western Philosophy, ultimately leaning more on music and art for insights, a more embodied (less detached) approach. McGilchrist covers a lot of these evolutions in philosophy in Master and His Emissary from a left-brain (detached) vs right brain (more embodied) approach in the history of philosophy, East and West. Not masculine/feminine response maybe you are looking for, but definitely rational vs holistic approaches over time. This is something philosophers have grappled with. Even as stoicism is having a bit of a moment in popular culture, perhaps because it is perhaps the most applied philosphy, so maybe seen as more useful day to day to most. https://www.amazon.com/Master-His-Emissary-Divided-Western/dp/0300188374

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Stoicism isn’t about suppressing emotion. It’s about having control over your reactions to emotion and making honest, honorable, and logical decisions about events that occur in your life. It’s about the realization and acceptance that the only thing you have control over is your personal thoughts and actions. Everything else is beyond your control and you have nothing to do with it except your reaction to it. Sometimes the best reaction/action is nothing, because no good will come of it.

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See also: religion. My issue with organized religion is that men wrote these “sacred texts.” Much of the teachings place women lower than men which is demonstrably untrue.

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Good question, I don't know the answer but yeah how sad that we have lost so much history and human thought to misogyny over the centuries. I think reading a feminist woman's translation of the Tao Te Ching does greatly enhance it, like it's on another level from the previous patriarchal interpretations and makes me wonder if Ursula Le Guin's translation is just a better encapsulation of the original intent or if she actually evolved it and added to it in a significant way. Maybe both. Highly recommended btw.

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Any recommended reading so far??

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I don't think these philosophies encourage detachment from emotions (or emotions as negative). Rather they focus on detaching from meta cognition (i.e., thoughts about the emotions). These philosophies are very old, and tremendous philosophical progress has been made (recently, and into the future, by women). I suspect they are popular today because they are fairly easy to understand and also immediately practical in a self-administered CBT-type fashion. However, as your post demonstrates, there's a subtlety to this thinking that gets lost (that it isn't about emotions per se, but more about thinking patterns in relation to emotional triggers).

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have you read gravity and grace?

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Who are the most popular female philosophers?

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If you’ve got 90 minutes I listened to this podcast a while back that touches on soooo much of this and would love to hear your thoughts if you do https://open.spotify.com/episode/3e5bkfY8mCsdhb9H39dHmy?si=YMrJiuO2RDu4uNuujJix0Q

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Somewhere here the continental and analytical divide provides an answer

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