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Vitalik Buterin
@vitalik.eth
As far as I can tell the Icon of the Seas is basically fine; even on the environmental front (important!) I see no reason to believe it's worse per passenger than other ships. A lot of opposition to it feels like elite snobbery against middle / upper-middle-class people. Any good anti-Icon arguments I'm missing?
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@woj.eth
we should keep in mind that from public goods funding perspective, the icon has a cap on how many people can use it at the same time, which makes it quite exclusive and against the etherean ethos
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Matt Garcia
@mattgarcia.eth
something people don't consider about environmental impact is the splurge—"My 25-room mansion is eco friendly so I'm eco friendly." even if you're using econfriendly methods in your gigantic non-essential-thing (mansion,vegas casino,mega cruise...), your splurge footprint (resources, labor, land) is not eco friendly
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@greyseymour
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Giuliano Giacaglia
@giu
We should strive for more! Let’s build cities on the sea. Let’s build cities in the sky. Let’s build cities in the space. Let’s build cities in other planets!
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@vgr
I’ve enjoyed the 2 cruises I’ve taken but I’ve also enjoyed DFW’s famous satirical essay about cruises. I like to enjoy both middle-class and elite snob pleasures. https://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/HarpersMagazine-1996-01-0007859.pdf
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@brownalytics
Have you claimed your $DEGEN yet?
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nixo
@nixo
imo anything that further popularizes cruise culture is bad for the way we approach environmental issues and pretend-luxury (which is when people make exceptions for their values) https://www.statista.com/chart/27353/worst-black-carbon-polluters/
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Frank
@deboboy
The laborers perspective might be less favorable than sentiments here. Can’t imagine cleaning toilets and other ‘tasks for humanity’ are fun at that scale.
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@deanpierce.eth
Here's an article I found that examines the various environmental claims. I wish it had dug a bit deeper into some of it, but it makes a lot of interesting points, like how the fancy new scrubbers mostly just turn air pollution into water pollution, etc. https://www.greenmatters.com/travel/icon-of-the-seas-comparison
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@sallyh
Nothing I’m reading suggests it’s ’basically fine’ on the environmental front? I suppose if people are choosing this over taking a long flight somewhere , AND they don’t need to take a flight to or from the boat … maybe by comparison it’s greener?
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Matthew Barton
@mbar
Even if it’s a floating walmart, there’s beauty in impermanence
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Dean Pierce 👨‍💻🌎🌍
@deanpierce.eth
Are we doing Ethereum conferences on boats now? I used to run https://hackboat.org which was a security conference we would do on a boat. We haven't done it since the covids but are likely starting back up again soon. Boat conferences are rad 🎉⛴️ Environmental impact for cruise ships would be my biggest concern.
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@m-j-r
there's the sheer (rising) cost to these vs the lower demand to pay for them, the logistical dead end of optimizing for 5k ppl over a week, and it's a vehicle that doesn't transport passengers over long distances.
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Ajit Tripathi
@chainyoda
That looks like a blockchain someone would build if they raised too much money in an ICO in 2017
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Grit, إنشاءالله.eth
@grit
No real good anti argument. I think we need more of these super ships. And we need to mass produce them so they become cheap enough for anyone to go on them
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@harpcaster
I agree. It is cool
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@dustmrtn.eth
i just hope they are properly disposing the garbage. not that something gets into the water. mountains of trash in the water are already an environmental issue
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@kaidao
Not sure I agree with the environmental impact being fine here
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@kripcat.eth
Probably depends on whether you feel that cruise ships and the culture around them are fine. 🤷‍♂️ The largest cruise ship in the world will just be emblematic of that.
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