Dan Romero on Warpcast

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A bit puzzled by the people who continue to insist that open channels without any gating or spam filtering would work just fine. When I mention there would be a lot of spam, they tell me I'm wrong or they would manually weed it out. We tried that for the last year and it didn't work. Very few channel owners / moderators wanted to do the drudgery of cleaning up spammy casts. It's not fun or rewarding. And that's logical on their end! The reason web2 doesn't have this problem: 1. The successful companies like Meta or YouTube have *10s of thousands* of ops people moderating the platform; they also have massive data sets and AI models to help 2. They are centralized. They can *delete* spammy accounts and there's no recourse. 3. X / Twitter got rid of most of their ops people, so you see *a lot* more spam on there. Additionally, #hashtags on Twitter have been spammy for 10 years. Just look at the following link: https://x.com/hashtag/Ethereum

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4. Reddit is nearly 20 years old and developed a strong mod culture early on. Starting a new social network in the 2020s is "after the fall" of massive spam rings. So you have to take a different approach. 5. X / Twitter has hinted at requiring a small on-time payment for every account to post (because of the spam problem). It's only going to get worse as AI / LLMs get more sophisticated and cheaper.

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do you think the warpcast spam detection model used for replies will be good enough to be used for channel feeds at some point?

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I don't know for sure, but I imagine these comments come primarily from heavy internet users, especially those familiar with the constant spam on other platforms. Many feel it's unrealistic to imagine a spam-free internet platform, and to be fair, even in 2024, we all still get spam texts, calls, and emails. So, forcing real users to deal with added friction when posting in channels feels neither fair nor justified. The core issue is that the platform’s incentives—through no fault of the Merkle team—favor those posting low-quality content in popular channels, making channels feel like "first class" spaces. This creates a divide between channel owners, developers, qDAUs, and everyone else, the majority of whom simply want fair access to the same incentives.

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Michael Depetrillo

If mods are too busy to cleanup spam, they surely won't have the time to vet and approve members. Can members report spam to moderators? Do you boost spam score or auto remove from credible reporters? Have you considered downvotes like Reddit to get more data? Why did automod shutdown, what infra are 3rd party mods lacking? Spam is a solvable tech issue. Twitter reply spam has improved greatly. Gmail catches 99%. Mod lethargy may be due to focus on crypto users, who are inundated with grifts/scams constantly and just auto ignore it. Warpcaster needs non-crypto communities who aren't accustomed to it.

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you sound like a sophisticated ‘21 nft discord mod lol the pain is real

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Maybe those telling you that are actually spammers 🙃

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These people have very obviously never run a channel with any meaningful userbase.

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eirrann | he/him

this is helpful to know and better understand why channels as topics aren't viable, thank you

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New channel changes are great. They can build their own app if they don’t like it. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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just let me mute some channels Dan I beg

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Why no making a mute button, that way people would be able to block those annoying users (to them). Mute options could let you block someone in a specific channel or in all channels. It could be a temporary block or permanent block.

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Have you considered reincarnating your spam algos in an optional mod bot form to augment human moderation?

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I actually see that channel update makes it better to filter spam. We just need to tell the people that they need to be a member of the channel in order to be seen in the replies. It's just hard ofc to join inactive channels or channel that needs payment.

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