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It feels like Farcaster is starting to lean left in ways I personally don't really love.

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Some of it is low quality election-related posting. Another part is this “crypto is actually leftist” vibe (libertarian socialism, anarchism, DAOs as governance, etc.). I have 0 problem with people who believe in those things organizing on here. But if that becomes the dominant ethos of Farcaster, it will alienate me and, I suspect, many others.

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1. I lean leftist and I suspect we have more in common than is immediately obvious (personally I feel there is a lot of overlap/compatibility/synergy between seemingly-conflicting ideologies if only we abandon labels for a second), happy to explore that more if you're into it. :) 2. FWIW I feel that Farcaster as a whole is moderately anti-leftist. I'd say the majority of people are terrified of leftist labels and aren't willing to even entertain their underlying concepts independently. (See screenshot) 3. I am curious to hear more about what makes you feel alienated, though?

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RE: 3 - my opinion is that crypto is a radically anti-leftist technology. It rejects the collective - most importantly the state - in favor of the individual. That’s part of why I am in crypto. So when I see leftism on a crypto-forward app like Farcaster, I believe it’s self-defeating.

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I genuinely believe this is a disagreement purely on incongruent definitions of labels. Things that I think we agree on, if we ignore labels for a second: 1. Our traditional states do not represent our interests 2. Borders are a construct of traditional states and aren't relevant in the future we want 3. We want a reliable collectively owned consensus mechanism that we can build upon (rather than whoever-has-the-most-money-gets-to-pick-the-rules consensus, or whatever half-assed electoral governance process) 4. We want to empower individuals to reach their full potential (and earn proportional rewards for their *results*) 5. There's nothing wrong with money and earning it. Something we might disagree on (for now): 6. What is "the state" vs "the collective" vs "the individual", to me the collective is the many layers of society we live in (we are all members of different collectives, e.g. family/neighbourhood/company). It is not our government/state/military, those are quite adversarial in my model too.

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Its just a tech, it can be user for rugged individualism or large scale collaboration It's w/e you want it to be

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Really loving all the conversation around this, thanks for creating space for it to happen @yuga

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I’d argue crypto is radically anti-communist but not all leftists believe in Communism or a form of collectivism

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This is fascinating… I see the truth in your point about crypto rejecting the collective. But I’m attracted to crypto precisely because of the way it also empowers the collective. I’m very progressive and am interested in solving coordination failures, enabling new kinds of cooperation, etc. I also want to take some types of power away from the state, but not really for the sake of the individual. Rather because some global problems are better solved collectively by global decentralized systems than by governments. Crypto solves problems for us both, I guess! The left/right spectrum isn’t up to the task of describing this space, IMO.

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It definitely is not anti-leftist, not pro right, not anything. It’s an agnostic technology that’s anti- institutionalism.

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I believe crypto is neutral. Left and right as currently defined are arbitrary selected views. Crypto doesn’t inherently say either. I do agree that it empowers the Indian and it allows the individual to select its collective, e.g. most of us on FC searching for a community. The world wants us to believe we lie on a linear plane, when reality has more dimensions.

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I think the same about buffets. They are radically anti-leftist restaurants. You will see no collective meal sharing. Meals are optimize based on individual preference. This is why I like buffets. So when I see leftist at a buffet, I believe it’s self-defeating.

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Do you think that because the technology gives some form of freedom to the individual it can’t be used for the benefit of the collective?

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It’s true that the early crypto community, especially Bitcoin, radically rejected the state in favor of the individual. But that does not mean that the technology itself is inherently left or right. I don’t think it’s accurate to say crypto “rejects the collective.” You can argue there are many parts of crypto that naturally lead to collective decision making and collective ownership. Also Bitcoin and crypto in general is increasingly being adopted by “the state”, and is being used by politicians and governments around the world. At the end of the day it’s a neutral technology that people project their ideology onto.

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It may be a matter of how your timeline has been curated. The voices you may be following may lean to the left. Not sure. I’ve seen more “right leaning” voices in my timeline. I am not personally left leaning (I would say I am more so than the next) But as @nounishprof states, it’s agnostic tech. I could disagree with the folks who lean right, or lean left. Same with how a person leans for their vote choice. But that lead to a belief of the app being left or right.

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Crypto both empowers the individual, and the ability for individuals to act collectively. In what ways do you see it "reject the collective"?

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I don’t know. Crypto started out as a libertarian movement but it has largely accepted the primacy of the state. Bitcoin went from ambitions of an alternative financial system to integration in the current state-regulated tradfi system. What are crypto lobbyists circling around DC to “regulate us please” doing, if not accepting dominance of the state? The story of crypto isn’t the growing dominance of the left but the self-subjugation of the right.

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neither crypto nor this space is as black and white as you’re making them seem. maybe an echo chamber would be better suited to your delicate intellect.

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Imo it’s a tool and you can make it whatever you want. Some people like myself use it for leftist shit, some don’t. Overall it’s definitely anti-government which can be a leftist or a right stance

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