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Think about who is driving this conversation. By and large it is not organic user feedback as it is employees The Lens marketing team is manufacturing this perceptual divide in an attempt to win net new users; punching up at the more successful service. I don’t believe it is a reflection of the reality today, but them trying to shape the future
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It is a reflection of dwr’s contempt for artists and their opinions of his protocol and client. Why do you think dwr used AI generated images for all the commemorative Warpcast or token artworks? Revealed preference: art isn’t important enough to hire a human to make something cool for our culture here
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I feel like that is a personal resentment. It’s not borne out in the product, where I have seen over time how Warpcast has become much friendlier to visual image display and also supported pretty effortless one click minting. If Dan hated artists he would design a product that diminished the work and made it harder to get paid? A silly commemorative nft has no bearing
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a silly commemorative artwork lackadaisically shit out reveals a lack of concern or taste for art as well as a lack of concern over what feelings this will invoke in all the artists who use and stan the protocol daily
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Sorry I forgot to ask your permission to do something creative.
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But it’s not creative(that’s the point) that’s where the offense happens And responding to people who have deep considerations of this space with snark makes these people recoil, Dan, it makes your DAU lower, this place isn’t X, being a snarky asshole doesn’t fly the same way I know because I like to be a snarky asshole too
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Oh, guess you're the arbiter of what's creative now, too. Check out /dwr. Or the Mint with Warps weekly initiative we did last year with a bunch of Farcaster native artists. Clearly I hate artists.
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and why isn’t it still going? revealed preferences come back to bite us
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Didn't drive growth. We'd like to bring it back when we have more bandwidth.
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Okay, well unfortunately, there’s a lot of distrust and faith lost in this space at the moment, see OGs leaving or heavily considering leaving, and that suggests there’s an assortment of pressing issues. Repairing the relationship with these people and artists should be high priority. https://warpcast.com/yesyes/0xab1f6a1a
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> there’s a lot of distrust and faith lost in this space at the moment Based on what?
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Do you have the time? Maybe a open hall tavern this week would be a good place to discuss things in a more efficient and transparent manner
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I think the ultimate revealed vs stated is coming on to a website and saying you don’t trust it or hate it or whatever. If that was the true feeling just leave! If you don’t like it hit the bricks! If Lens really is the superior product it is right there. Actually leaving is actually the most powerful way to voice discontent. This is decentralized but it’s not a DAO, and every person with an account doesn’t get to be a cook in the kitchen.
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Trust has been eroded when grifters come here, dump on retail and we find out DWR invests in said grifter Boom, trust out the window But yeah, I’m the dumb snarky asshole here that has no good ideas.
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> Trust has been eroded when grifters come here, dump on retail and we find out DWR invests in said grifter ?
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Maybe you're more than familiar with the subject of Android's cast here:
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I wrote a small check into his company, not the memecoin?
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No one ever said you had anything to do with the memecoin, but that's exactly it. He was a celebrated arrival, y'all made it a point to announce his presence -> he grifts -> he leaves -> he comes back -> y'all have said nothing about any of it -> we find out you invested in his company and he invested here
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Do you think it's my responsibility to adjudicate every dispute between multiple parties here?
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Isn't this self evident by this thread?
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Give me a break!!! If someone came on here and said Tim Daub actions made me realize Kiwi News is fake and gay you wouldn’t push back!!!!
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People also hold me accountable, but they hold me much less accountable than Dan because I have much less power. It's always a balance when to push back and when to acknowledge criticism. Do you think the resentment towards @dwr.eth is completely non-warranted here? I'm sure a lot of OG NFT artists have become or are becoming anti Zora for example
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I do feel the resentment is largely non warranted yes. What have you trusted him and team to do? Build a sufficiently decentralized social network. One of the times I got most mad at Warpcast is when the app wouldn’t load, because it is a clear violation of what I perceive to be the SLA. What’s not in the service level agreement: Dan is not required to act as perfect moral authority/paragon of virtue, get you users for your startup, or make you money. Those are expectations you all invented and then get bitter and angry about. It’s not Dan’s fault you invested in Farcaster for Kiwi and didn’t see the results you wanted. You still find ways to complain about this and hate on Farcaster because of this.
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When people are power grabby in the crypto space there‘ll always be a lot of resentment. WC is closed source and that is a gigantic power grab combined with a lot of the other rhetoric that Dan has on podcasts etc.. all of u people (including me) are moving in a space of an internet sub culture that has permeated the world for far longer than any of these apps have been around. Some stuff just isn‘t allowed. Don‘t pretend like ur special and allowed to break the rules or that ur unaware of the rules idk why I even have to explain this has nothing to do with SLAs for obvious reasons
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> Dan is not required to act as perfect moral authority/paragon of virtue, get you users for your startup, or make you money. Not required, but if he doesn't some of the maxis move on. See how Vitalik acts and you understand. I didn't "invest in Farcaster for Kiwi." I just think FC needs to walk its talk, and currently, it doesn't, and I have provided a lot of technical explanations as to why I think that is the case. Go and read it
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