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Vitalik Buterin
@vitalik.eth
Andrej K makes an interesting point and Autism Capital's dismissive reply is wrong. It is rational to be more afraid of man than of nature, because it is rational to be afraid of powerful optimizers. This is also often why we are more suspicious of for-profit versions than non-profit versions of the same activity.
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@px
i wonder if the threat is less about man vs nature, and more about algorithmatized vs natural
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@brenner.eth
In a similar way, the concentrated or distilled version of something can often be much more dangerous than the naturally occurring version
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@vgr
This is a virus vs poison type discussion I think “executable” should be reserved for code-like things. One test is whether the response is strongly dose dependent. Code copies beyond a few have no extra effect but more poison (or bullets or laser power) kills you faster. Language is in-between.
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@neuroswish
I’m definitely more suspicious of non profit versions of things than for profit versions - the incentives are much harder to decipher
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@matthuang
Snow crash has some good exploration of this idea… the “nam-shub of Enki”
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@jachian
There’s an ounce of truth in Autism Capital’s response, but what he gets wrong is that the world isn’t orienting around capturing your attention and holding it X’s feed is
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@benersing
Interesting. Not sure I read it as dismissive or intending to be a mutually exclusive statement. What am I missing??
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@bored
Agreed. Nature does not have motives, it does not fear you.
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@thatalexpalmer.eth
Most people find it hard to observe something without judging it immediately. Both posts are an observation. Also tech people using computer metaphors to explain the world to themselves and others will never stop being funny to me (in an endearing way, most of the times; except those times when it’s cringe af).
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@miroyato
Andrej's thought is interesting yeah propaganda (nation level) and social engineering (individual level) have always been around under (though under various names) But what I hate about this is the thought that technologists will try to "solve it" with technology rather socially / culturally. Which would be terrible.
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Vitalik, what do you think of the part on X in Noahs recent newsletter? https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/at-least-five-things-for-your-weekend
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@deboboy
huMAN can’t regenerate like nature [procreation, nope]; meanwhile MAN has been destructive since Cain killed Abel
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@designheretic
My 2 GWEI: they are both unduly reductive The sum of inputs to the corpus callosum leading to wrote reactions that we simply lack the raw compute to see as no different from the way our hands recoil when a surface we touch is too hot is far from self-evident Accepting or rejecting new ideas is more than mere reflex
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@m-j-r
these various stimuli have different depth of perturbation, don't they? I think this is a fascinating distinction (like room temp vs academic performance), though clearly Karpathy has an easier time of referring to concepts like Goebbelsian propaganda or flash-mobs like the recent TikTok drama.
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@icetoad.eth
On point
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@johncamkiran
Man can spill in an instant what nature has filled in an eon
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@lono.eth
Autism capital has gotten pretty bad about being a reply guy/yes man to every big red pilled right wing account on twitter at this point
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@patrickjpatten
Algorithms for our feeds will be looked back upon as a terrible idea. They’ve been optimized for profit, but that means anger & bad faith. It’s a great point. It shines a light on why representative democracy is best. Ore for people with good judgement etc.
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autism capital is the fucking worst
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