Vitalik Buterin on Warpcast

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Vitalik Buterin

Andrej K makes an interesting point and Autism Capital's dismissive reply is wrong. It is rational to be more afraid of man than of nature, because it is rational to be afraid of powerful optimizers. This is also often why we are more suspicious of for-profit versions than non-profit versions of the same activity.

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i wonder if the threat is less about man vs nature, and more about algorithmatized vs natural

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I’m definitely more suspicious of non profit versions of things than for profit versions - the incentives are much harder to decipher

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This is a virus vs poison type discussion I think “executable” should be reserved for code-like things. One test is whether the response is strongly dose dependent. Code copies beyond a few have no extra effect but more poison (or bullets or laser power) kills you faster. Language is in-between.

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In a similar way, the concentrated or distilled version of something can often be much more dangerous than the naturally occurring version

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Snow crash has some good exploration of this idea… the “nam-shub of Enki”

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There’s an ounce of truth in Autism Capital’s response, but what he gets wrong is that the world isn’t orienting around capturing your attention and holding it X’s feed is

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Interesting. Not sure I read it as dismissive or intending to be a mutually exclusive statement. What am I missing??

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Autism capital has gotten pretty bad about being a reply guy/yes man to every big red pilled right wing account on twitter at this point

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Agreed. Nature does not have motives, it does not fear you.

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autism capital is the fucking worst

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That's called social engineering.

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You have a link to the thread so I can read it in context?

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I've always thought that this is why the 'creator economy' exists. Creators short-circuit that for-profit/non-profit bullshit detector.

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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." also reminds me of this gem by epsilon theory https://www.epsilontheory.com/narrative-and-metaverse-pt-1-the-living-word/

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Most people find it hard to observe something without judging it immediately. Both posts are an observation. Also tech people using computer metaphors to explain the world to themselves and others will never stop being funny to me (in an endearing way, most of the times; except those times when it’s cringe af).

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@fufuprophet.eth

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Now imagine those executables being coded not just by normal humans but also artificial agents that are 100x, 1000x more intelligent than any human

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Andrej's thought is interesting yeah propaganda (nation level) and social engineering (individual level) have always been around under (though under various names) But what I hate about this is the thought that technologists will try to "solve it" with technology rather socially / culturally. Which would be terrible.

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I am much more skeptical of a man in the forest than a tree I understand the intention of a tree

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