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Vitalik Buterin

I agree this is a problem. In retrospect, reading Yudkowsky's Sequences was far more valuable to me than reading various pre-1900 philosophers' works firsthand. https://twitter.com/PradyuPrasad/status/1757745612072894477

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Though ironically I think ancient philosophy is *more* valuable than 1600s stuff. Ancient philosophy is like, "these are some ideas on living a good life I've acquired by instinct". 1600s was starting to make deeper systematizations, but we were very inexperienced then, and 21st century systematizations are better.

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It’s a good point, but also it can be useful to see where ideas started and how they progressed. The context is often relevant and can be eye-opening. Eg. it’s useful to understand how Newton created a model that explained/predicted a lot of things correctly, but was ultimately wrong as a description of reality.

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This is generally true but there are pre-1900 works that impacted me very differently from reading second hand accounts: - The Ancient City by Fustel de Coulanges (1864) - Nietzsche (1880s) - The Federalist Papers (1787-1788) - Capital by Marx (1867) - The Discovery and Conquest of Mexico by Díaz del Castillo (1568)

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wow I've been avoiding sequences all this time because I thought they were over hyped. reading them now

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I feel this is just an excuse for bad scholarship/not citing sources/passing off old ideas as new. LessWrong did this a lot, like "continuum fallacy" became "fallacy of the grey" We also learn "wrongish" equations in Physics like 'momentum = m*v' for historical reasons (& unlearn them later).

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This has me wondering what progress means in philosophy.

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Generally a lot of the ideas we learn in modern science/economics are a chewed up version of the original idea, and losses some context In university economics you learn Keynesian economics, which is more of an interpretation of it. When you read his "General theory.." book it is very different than the interpretation

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I disagree and I am sure some others would disagree as well. Philosophy is different from other subjects. Reading older philosophy texts definitely provides me a broader perspective on things and makes me more aware of the bubble I am in.

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science is almost always cumulative, philosophy is not (at least not necessarily).

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Anti-Oedipus by Deleuze and Guattari is pretty eye opening… lots of modern philosophy is pretty good but can get really abstract real quick… I think that’s why foundational philosophy focuses on the Greeks and other ancients… Hume, Descartes and Smith help root some economic principles for sure!

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Philosophical puzzles remain unchanged from Aristotle to Yudkowsky; unlike science, where new discoveries shift old views. Thoughts?

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Depends on the philosophy being mentioned, still cannot compare chemistry to Alchemy infact chemistry were considered charlatans and thieves who stole from the alchemists or tried to copy a particular process but instead created something else.

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While i agree to an extent, there is value in studying these early works to build a stronger foundational understanding of how we arrived to the place we are now in any given field; be it physics, biology, philosophy, etc. Oh what fun these conversations we have are my dear friend. 3 $DEGEN

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It would be nice to have more modern thinkers Yet you can’t beat the selection of time Of all that was written, only the very best is still studied…

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