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Anyone else starting to get worried about this rise of casual open imperialism? Like, not "peaceful trade at prices social justice activists don't like" imperialism but actual "let's go conquer stuff" imperialism. I know it's "meant to be a joke", but often such jokes are a first step to normalizing something dark...
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It always starts as a joke. And if you object? β€œHaha chill bro, it’s only a joke”. Then later, when it’s real, it’s too late to object.
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feels like it started w/ obama when syria used chemical weapons; we had a red line and they crossed it, and we blinked. then putin w/ ukrain, same. (i voted for obama but this was bad). look at china since ukraine - way more assertive. and now we have north korean troops in russia (that is imperialism too). trump adimres milei and all these folks, seems he will be assertive as well to some degree.
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Honest question: how many countries would jump at the chance of becoming a part of the US if they could?
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it also forfeits any moral high ground or principled defense for the USA opposing imperialism by Russia or China.
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Trump's return simply means masks off for the US It's always been an imperialist power masquerading as an exporter of ideals But these so called ideals don't even hold up to a modicum of scrutiny domestically
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History of America: - slavery - indigenous genocides - Christian nationalism manifest destiny global military empire - war after war after war stealing resources - tens to hundreds of millions killed But people will still call it "peaceful trade at prices social justice activists don't like" and mock those who correctly identify it as a fascist colonial empire. I agree with your assessment of how bad Trump's overt imperialism is, I just think it's already been here for a long time. In fact, it's probably almost over. The left just hopes to dismantle the empire peacefully from within so we can negotiate peace with the world, rather than the current plan which is we're all going to die of nuclear war because imperialists can only escalate.
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Talking about this for a year. And it's not just Trump. Let's go conquer imperialism has been very much active for a while now. Now Trump understands Overton Window well so he wants to normalize stuff, shifting narratives further imperialist. But leftists saw this trend years ago. https://warpcast.com/chainleft/0x8044265d
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Very concerned! Eric Trump posted this today
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Yeah, it makes me uncomfortable. And I’m hopeful it’s just an opening gambit for trade negotiations.
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I was already worried about casual hegemony, ngl. contrary to the imperialists, there seemed to be a casual mix of anarchism in some areas and totalitarianism in others, completely covert to the extent that it's so normalized. which is sort of the tone with the jokes, that they're so overt they're debatably harmless, and one might say the same about ironic/satirical humor spreading other politics. in any case, this mindset would be moot in any real interaction between Canada and the U.S., since there's other international nuances that are completely missing from that content.
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How would the lives of Mexicans and Canadians become somehow worse if they became the 51st and 52nd states?
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Let them try it. They'll learn what imperial overreach means. Also, the last time the US tried to invade/annex Canada, their capital burned. These people need some history lessons.
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what are you talking about?? we have already a whole year full imperial US founded genocide in Palestine, wikipedia level obvious of course future will be even darker, but it is already a reality
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I think that imperialism never left the room.. sadly.. anyway.. the game includes nuclear weapons.. the joke is joke until it is not..
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kinda based tbh
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Not worried. Trump seems more anti-war than the dems at the moment. If these assets are obtained peacefully, and without force like a purchase or agreement then great. I don’t see him going to war to obtain these. But the chances of either happening are next to zero anyway.
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Hernan Cortes had no intention of peaceful trade; which would have setup the Meso empires to experience their industrial revolution, hyper GDP with expansion into North America. And a robust, global maritime economy coordinated from Tenochtitlan would have rivaled Great Britain.
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