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At point is it legitimate for a certain government (state, city, municipal etc) to say a commodity or service (water, utilities etc) should be a right for all of its citizens? And provide the public utility as a monopoly? Will emerging network states / city states do the same?
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@swabbie.eth
Most likely when the citizens demand it, or when investors want the government to cover costs they might normally cover.
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@enderman.eth
Perhaps at such time as the governing entity is able to define “citizen” and restrict services to citizens only. Otherwise, it will become a “free stuff” advertisement for imminent exploitation.
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If that state is democratic and collectively decides to decommodify xyz thing, then I view that as legitimate.
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@gigamesh
When the people decide that's the way it should be. Democracy baby!
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@shoni.eth
cc @ivy maybe interesting
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@nonlinear.eth
at no point is it legitimate
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@d1ego
IMO only for market failures (i.e. when the negative externality of a good not being a social good is not priced in by the private markets)
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@rafi
Rights as a feature: People move to the state that better fulfill their needs. Instead of granting rights, network states offer them.
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Re: 1. Have you read The Master Switch? Goes into great depth and length re: the evolution of information technologies/new media during the 19th/20th centuries, and digs into the details of how each relates to public utilities Re: 2. I don't know enough to take a forecast position.
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prospera mentioned that they are providing utilities via private providers https://www.youtube.com/live/x-GfuIFkB_Y?si=5Lzl9Svidge-qt3E&t=3823
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@m-j-r
the point at which the economy of scale can undersell all competitors, but this is kind of dangerous cause there's no explicit guardrail for credible neutrality. ideally network states lean hard into fat protocols 100% "down the stack". some services consume a huge margin instead of accelerating market competition.
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@wake.eth
Yes. Yes. Idk.
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Yes, if these rights are enshrined in the law and supported by social welfare policies, in my opinion it is legitimate for a government to provide essential commodities or services as a public utility, especially in a stable country.
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