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public ledgers, open source, DAOs, CC0 are all far left coded ideals. curious how the more right leaning crypto space squares these bedrock concepts.

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Generate revenue.

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strange bedfellows innit

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DAOs or user-owned networks are like cooperatives. Cooperatives can earn revenue. The distinction of capitalism’s versus socialism’s “revenue” is the profit incentive and who gets the profit. Especially because they also have the power over how the company is run (and in oligarchies, how the country is run) Don’t let anyone tell you that money, markets, or income has to be absent from leftist ideology; it’s a big tent. Leftist conception of these things, which as you mention is very much coded in line with the web3 we’re building, is about equitable distribution of surplus revenue and democratic control of the organizations. I don’t think people on the right understand the bogeyman they think they’re fighting. Red scare propaganda and garbage propaganda like “The Little Black Book of Communism” built a wall of bias that even Gorbachev couldn’t tear down.

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> Red scare propaganda and garbage propaganda like “The Little Black Book of Communism” built a wall of bias that even Gorbachev couldn’t tear down. It's not little. 100 million dead. Ask anyone who has actually lived in a communist country how great it is. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

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With that book's logic of "preventable deaths under the government with ___ ideology's policies", you could say capitalism killed dozens of billions. It's just a weird way of accounting. If we really want to use that definition for one ideology, we should apply it everywhere. The book is considered academically hollow but it has been used quite commonly by far right ideologists and politicians of course.

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You can say a lot of things but fact is that countless millions were killed, starved, and enslaved as a direct result of communist policies. It's an ideology that claims to be "humanitarian" but caused the most destruction to humanity in the 20th century (and has nothing to show for it)

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Serious question: what are the numbers for how many millions have been killed, starved, or enslaved under capitalism?

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Good question. Most likely nowhere near as many as under communism?

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prmck.eth (w☮️/acc)

Hows that? If deaths happened under comminsm, then attributed to communism. Then If deaths happened under capitalism, then attributed to capitalism. Ergo, billions (basically every global death that wasn't "under communism") dead bc capitalism, right?

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I didn't say "if it happened under communism." I said if it was as a direct result of the policies. But even with your interpretation, taking the 20th century as the benchmark, a lot more deaths happened in communist countries than anywhere else (including in the two world wars). Adjusting for population, probably even more so.

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Who decides the convenient threshold for "direct result of policies"? Do 1 million Iraqis count as deaths due to capitalism? Do millions from civil wars in Middle East count because most tensions are due to the original decisions made by capitalists? India-Pakistan partition from the capitalist British decision? Laos bombing? Hundreds of millions from colonialism? Slavery? Climate change deaths? All of these are direct results of capitalist decisions.

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I don't think changing the "thresholds" will affect the calculus much tbh. Also, not sure how Middle Eastern civil wars, in countries with largely socialist govts (and aligned with the Soviet Union) can be attributed to capitalism. For the record, my conservative estimate is that for every death attributable to capitalism there are 3 deaths attributable to communism. Ironically, "who decides" is exactly the problem with communism. It's a centralization problem

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prmck.eth (w☮️/acc)

Agree, which is part of the impetus for my original question. I never see the same logic applied to *both* systems side by side, so im curious if such an analysis exists

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