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public ledgers, open source, DAOs, CC0 are all far left coded ideals. curious how the more right leaning crypto space squares these bedrock concepts.

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Generate revenue.

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Haven’t read anything on this topic, but I have to imagine that there’s some sort of futurist ideal of an de-rigging of the economy, the creation of a people’s economy that sidesteps the forces of global capital and its allied/purchased governments and satisfies both leftist and libertarian ideals at once?

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I think the overarching ideal of crypto is “if it makes money it is good” The rest of it is whatever and can easily be ditched in service of above golden rule

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I disagree with the premise that they’re far-left coded ideals What ideals / values / words would you use to describe these + far-left? What ideals / values / words would you use to describe right-leaning, that is in opposition?

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Mike | Abundance

Public ledgers are neither Left nor Right. They're actually an economic paradigm shift that doesn't fit into previous categories

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preaching salvation via religion to people feels pretty right leaning to me

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𒂠_𒍣𒅀_𒊑

smart contracts are assurance contracts, and turing-complete, rolled up assurance contracts can intermediate the entire economy of any ideology.

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tldr (tim reilly)

A couple anti-far-left aspects of crypto: Far left is pro censorship (when they are the ones doing it), and crypto is perfected censorship resistance. Far left is pro government-based ownership (when they are the ones doing the owning), and crypto is perfected individual ownership. However, the fact that crypto has ideals from both sides is something I love about it. But I believe it is well on its way to becoming heavily "right coded" in political reality.

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disagree, these are libertarian not left

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the right generally benefits the most from public goods just take a look at how much the govt subsidized spacex or how silicon vallley originated from us gov defense spending

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ownership and defiance of gov is right coded tho

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I've been thinking about this paradox ever since I first learned what the blockchain is. But the fact that it's not an obvious paradox to most people is even more striking to me

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initial interest in crypto because of self-custody, transaction freedom [typically considered right leaning ideals]. didn't realize at the time that i had always held left coded ideals as well - CC0, anti-patent, open source etc. tbh think there's opportunity [maybe hopium] for some sort of new party to emerge, because i can't identify as right or left currently, realizing that i never really did either.

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Sean Wince 🎩

These are supposed to be left ideals but the mainstream left in the US has strayed so far from them that nobody thinks of those things as left anymore. 420 $degen

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Imo these are more like public goods and infrastructure, of which capitalist systems can be ran on top of. By improving the commons, the pie is “grown” more than it otherwise would have

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Nounish Prof ⌐◧-◧🎩

Repeating what I said here — none are far left coded at all — just abundance mindset coded. Very different. An artist who creates cc0 art can still benefit from selling that art in a capitalist system. Human Centered Capitalism isn’t communism or socialism. It’s just not zero sum, pvp capitalism. And cc0, public ledgers, open source etc all fall in that category. https://warpcast.com/nounishprof/0x52766d1b

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As a European it seems almost like an American obsession to label neutral things as left or right. Why would transparency be anywhere on the political spectrum? Why is open source ‘far left’? It’s like calling a hammer political, where I see them as neutral. It’s how you use a tool and to what end that makes it fit an agenda/ideology.

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It’s not necessarily contrary to small government conservatism, aka the original small-L liberalism. But it does seem contrary to economist national conservatism which currently is ascendant on the right. That’s why people who are unabashedly pro-Trump but also supposedly pro-cypherpunk confuse me.

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