0xen 🎩
@0xen
public ledgers, open source, DAOs, CC0 are all far left coded ideals. curious how the more right leaning crypto space squares these bedrock concepts.
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
Generate revenue.
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0xen 🎩
@0xen
strange bedfellows innit
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Thumbs Up
@thumbsup.eth
DAOs or user-owned networks are like cooperatives. Cooperatives can earn revenue. The distinction of capitalism’s versus socialism’s “revenue” is the profit incentive and who gets the profit. Especially because they also have the power over how the company is run (and in oligarchies, how the country is run) Don’t let anyone tell you that money, markets, or income has to be absent from leftist ideology; it’s a big tent. Leftist conception of these things, which as you mention is very much coded in line with the web3 we’re building, is about equitable distribution of surplus revenue and democratic control of the organizations. I don’t think people on the right understand the bogeyman they think they’re fighting. Red scare propaganda and garbage propaganda like “The Little Black Book of Communism” built a wall of bias that even Gorbachev couldn’t tear down.
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
> Red scare propaganda and garbage propaganda like “The Little Black Book of Communism” built a wall of bias that even Gorbachev couldn’t tear down. It's not little. 100 million dead. Ask anyone who has actually lived in a communist country how great it is. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism
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Chainleft
@chainleft
With that book's logic of "preventable deaths under the government with ___ ideology's policies", you could say capitalism killed dozens of billions. It's just a weird way of accounting. If we really want to use that definition for one ideology, we should apply it everywhere. The book is considered academically hollow but it has been used quite commonly by far right ideologists and politicians of course.
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Mike | Abundance
@abundance
You can say a lot of things but fact is that countless millions were killed, starved, and enslaved as a direct result of communist policies. It's an ideology that claims to be "humanitarian" but caused the most destruction to humanity in the 20th century (and has nothing to show for it)
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Chainleft
@chainleft
https://warpcast.com/chainleft/0x66714a4e
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Mike | Abundance
@abundance
I don't see why criticism of X immediately means one has to adopt the most extreme "anti X" position. You can be critical of capitalism/US policies without thinking that communism solves these (or indeed has any merit)
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Chainleft
@chainleft
Right, I agree. And majority of the left discourse is dedicated to capitalism critique rather than dedicating oneself to an alternative. There are so many fractions of leftism, even so many fractions of communism. Most of leftist branches are honest (and robust) with their theories. On theory alone, I can compare leftist branches and capitalist ones (and yes, there's an overlap too) and I always seem to choose a leftist one. But I reject practical critiques of leftist branches that ignore externalities.
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Mike | Abundance
@abundance
I think critique of capitalism is important and necessary, but it's probably more important to build better systems/mechanisms to empower and benefit people, and address the problems created by markets. I don't see too much of that in Left discourse, so my assumption is that the "alternative" (communism/socialism) is implicit in the critique. Generally speaking I think capitalism today is on a path to dystopia (with accelerated crises of trust in media/institutions, AI, climate change, etc.). but the current marxist alternative is likely a lot worst.
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