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History of industrial agriculture: <1940s: scarce but nourishing food ~1950-1990: abundant and nourishing food (depletion period) ~1990-present: abundant but depleted food Next phase will have supply shocks of depleted food The best move is to rotate back into nourishing foods by going local

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The depleted argument is over stated. We have traded some nutritional benefit for better shelf life & ability to pack the fruit. Does it matter that much if an orange has 50mg of Vitamin C instead of 60mg if you have much better access to fresh fruit ? Not in my mind. Between 1995 & 2006 I watched strawberries in the Northeast go from small & heavily damaged fruit that barely looked edible to larger & appetizing. They’re not as sweet, but the can get to your fridge before looking like mush. There are lots of trade-offs in ag

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Additionally the eco impacts of concentrated farming are much smaller than distributed farms because they benefit a lot from the scale. Both organic farming and local farming result in more damage to the environment iirc.

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This is understated. It’s the number one reason we have a rapidly declining food poverty in the entire world. If you want to see what happens when you remove modern agricultural tools, just look up Sri Lanka from 2021 onwards, and the disaster they created under the premise of going “organic” by banning chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Food prices skyrocketed, production nose dived, and they went from being exporters of rice and tea to a net importer of food in a matter of a single season. Here’s a more nuanced take on this: https://humanprogress.org/sri-lanka-is-a-wake-up-call-for-eco-utopians/

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Sri Lanka was a disaster and an awful trial balloon Nobody serious about solving this problem would suggest an overnight cutover An analogy might be a drug addiction — cold turkey could kill the patient. Instead, we need to taper off because the path it keeps us on is worse

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what makes you say this? why are you so convinced we need to go off of industrial farming entirely? we have currently an abundance of food that could feed everyone in the world thanks to agricultural marvels of technology. doing 180° (even if while tapering off over time) is a surefire way to starvation and poverty

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We have an abundance of depleted food because we spent the last 80 years using the Haber process to artificially juice yields As a result: - food quality is worse - climate change is accelerated - soils and fisheries are depleted I think you’re overfitting the current trend. An analogy is someone on meth arguing to stay on it because they have a ton of energy. What they don’t realize is that energetic output comes at a deep cost

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Who’s using these practices today and producing “more nutritious” food using these practices you advocate?

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Have you ever read any of Joel Salatin’s books? https://polyfacefarms.com/ I’d recommend starting with this one if you haven’t: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11521956-folks-this-ain-t-normal

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And even closer to home, @brixbounty runs a farm and focuses on soil quality and nutritious produce Just look at the photos he shares and compare that to the conventional Central Valley produce that gets shipped to your grocery store

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I’ll definitely take a look. At a surface glance a significant part of their operation is tours & education. This is VERY common in the permaculture space. Their farm income is supplemented by training others to grow the way they do. Additionally, many of the economic comparisons between farms like this compare organic prices on one farm selling direct to consumer at farmers markets. In present conditions that model doesn’t scale. Less than 15% of fruit is sold that way. On top of that, there are a lot of growers who want to focus on production, not the marketing of the fruit. Farmers will grow what the market demands. Currently very few consumers are demanding organically grown fruit and even fewer are willing to pay for it. This is a demand problem not a supply problem. Personally, I’d love to shift focus away from organics and towards sustainable practices.

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