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This week I built the backend logic for Uvio's user reputation metrics. Since this is all backend, there isn't too much to see. What you can see though is the amount of pull requests we crushed. Some more in depth info. Uvio is information markets for everyone. The basis of Uvio's information markets is onchain reputation. We need to keep track of how right and how honest users are. Those two metrics get fed back into the system at the maximum and final stage of Claim disputes. Uvio's information markets start out public and decentralized. As Claims may get disputed, the audience grows wider and the stakes get higher. But ultimately, if the community can just not come to consensus by itself, at the final stage, the users with the highest degree of competence and the highest degree of integrity get selected to vote on the final dispute. If you read this far, you deserve to login to Uvio and get your signup bonus of UVX tokens on the Base testnet. Go get your reputation right, onchain.

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this is great,.., i threw up a troll post as a test

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The troll post in question below. 😅 Thanks for using the platform! When I saw it I wanted to engage but I am personally missing a bit of more reasoning behind this Claim that would allow me to participate on either side. As it is right now it's a bit too dark for me to be reasoned with. Feel free to propose more interesting Claims and please let me know if something doesn't work or if there is something that we should implement.

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No problem, I was trying to make it funny but failed lol.I was looking for either a villain quote or something absurd/controversial that no one agrees with. The reasoning side is exactly what should be implemented. Users should be able to associate reasons with proposals, by which people can vote on reasons or values even, rather than the topic itself. So that the voting process itself informs people.

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That is a super interesting idea. Where do the reasons come from in the screenshot above? Is this some AI generated summary based on user comments or would there be a more structured interface to allow for this kind of grouping?

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Full disclosure, this is something a friend and I thought a lot about, and we’re working towards building this for our DAO. i totally support y’all in your effort, and look forward to seeing uvio grow.

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Maybe you guys could tell me more about the needs that your DAO has. I would like to enable you to make better decisions using Uvio in whatever governance architecture you prefer. Uvio provides the atomic method of decision making itself. So you can leverage Uvio's two-step decision making process of staking and voting in any governance framework. I have a talk prepared for other institutions that are interested in Uvio Information Markets. If you like I can run you guys through it. FYI this presentation is not yet published in the docs.

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Mate, I’m sorry, we would love to use your service for our DAO, but must disappoint. We have some core values / reasons we would associate with this proposal… that inhibit our ability to use Uvio.. Our most core-est value is decentralization, to the point of maximalism, and a derivative is the need to be completely dependency-less… which means, all data/code must be built from ground zero. That being said, we’re both going for similar things, and it’d be awesome if we could better understand/support each other; Would love to hear the presentation you have cooked up.

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had to get bad news out right away.. apologies.. but still can see myself and others using uvio itself!!

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No worries. Good to understand where your priorities lie. Uvio operates very pragmatically at the moment. All code is just open source. Everything has dependencies, and decentralization happens progressively as there is a need. At the moment there is a single smart contract for all Claims, including stakes and votes. This contract is deployed per token. For the prototype we have right now the written content of the Claims is offchain. We track a content checksum onchain in order to proof that what you are reading was in fact what was proposed in the first place. Later the written content can be posted onchain too. Just for the prototype this wasn't necessary. I was also wondering how Uvio could maybe run on Farcaster or how we can run the offchain logic in a more trustless way. I think this will eventually be solved via zero knowledge proofs and maybe something like TEEs.

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tech is great but we have disagreements,.. it’s a tough world when people want perfection for dirt cheap. have a lot more questions and feedback if you don’t mind

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Sure, just shoot.

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These were my initial thoughts-tell me if these are problems or not. - built-in token weighted voting over democracy. Deepest pockets. - Reward for group-think, punishment for thinking outside the box. Disagreement is discouraged. - I was writing a claim yesterday, when I realized that it did not fit the platform. Because opinions/values do not get resolved, as often, truth exists through the eyes of the beholder. Do you plan on implementing opinions as claims in the future? summarize: confusion on whether or not token is optional; how to propose subjective claims?

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Towards the second point: Since there is no token weighted voting, the only thing that matters is the market resolution, which is based on community consensus. Any group think that is correct is not malicious in the first place. Any group think that is eventually found to be wrong will be punished by losing the staked tokens and with that the associated reputation. The diagrams below visualize the dual-step decision making process. You define your bet size in the first step. And you are rewarded or punished based on your own competence in the second step. The result of this dual-step decision making process is user reputation, which aggregates over time. That aggregated reputation allows individuals to safe entire organizations from corruption. Thinking in terms of disagreement as a metric is not useful here. The metrics that matter are competence and integrity: how right and how honest are you?

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there are so many things awesome about what your systems and so many things I need to keep thinking about—when i get time………. for if our DAO used this, we use separate network, and propagating our data cross chains is something we’re very interested in down the road. In essence our DAO will manage a decentralized and highly opinionated web framework. we’re early in the process, and it’s hard for us to use anything but own work atm. Additionally, the very first thing we planned was to build a governance software, so it’s a bit late or maybe—way too early to use your service.

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Thank you for your kind words and consideration. Just towards the last point. I worked in infrastructure automation for ten years. That was a B2B business. We would build tools for other companies. Potential clients would always tell us that they build this thing themselves now so they wanted to give it a try. Almost all of them came back to us after 18 months realizing they should have better focused on their product. I think if whatever you are doing is a governance product, then I understand, and you should build that. If you actual objective is something else then I would like to continue exploring how Uvio can help you make better decisions over time. I cannot guarantee that Uvio is the right thing for you. But if you spend a considerable amount of time on something that has nothing to do with your core business then I guarantee your venture will be less competitive.

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I greatly appreciate you as well, and can see us coming to you in the future. It’s always about solving problems, and the money naturally comes. And you seem to be doing that.. 👍 as i said, it’s a new web framework, and we’re early in building phase, so it’s difficult to integrate anything outside of it at the moment.

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