franco
@francos.eth
I agree with @typeof.eth both in the general point and the logical soundness of it. Correct me if im misunderstanding any side. The way I see this discussion unfolding: @ryanfmason argues: - The U.S. founders invented the idea of universal human rights (or something like it). - When countered that they got it from Locke, he replies: even if they were influenced by Locke, they still invented something new. - He uses the idea that “influence doesn’t cancel invention” to defend calling the U.S. the “inventor” of universal rights. @typeof.eth replies: - exactly—you’re demonstrating that no one “invented” universal human rights out of thin air. It was a cumulative intellectual evolution, not an American invention. - “You’re making my point for me” implies: the existence of influence undermines the notion of a single, original inventor—especially when the influence goes all the way back to antiquity and through multiple thinkers.
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@typeof.eth
That’s the main point for sure! Not to mention the contradiction of the original “from Christian theology” and the acknowledgement that it also comes from pagan Roman philosophy
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franco
@francos.eth
Yup! Your logic is sound! I fail to see how someone would not follow.
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Ryan
@ryanfmason
You know I’m not saying they pulled the idea of universal human rights from the water of the Schuylkill River or something right? They extrapolated the idea from Christian theology, which had been influenced a long ways back from pagan Romans. That’s just the history. It’s like saying it’s a “contradiction” that humans are now Homo sapiens but evolved from Australopithecus As a social technology, the idea of it being tied to a people in a nation state in practice comes from the US. Everybody else is now following that model. That’s the point.
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