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"In 2016, Hillary Clinton lost Wisconsin to Trump by 22,748 votes; Stein carried 31,072 votes. In Michigan the story was similar: Clinton lost to Trump by 10,704 votes while Stein carried 51,463. Ditto for Pennsylvania, where Trump won by 44,292 votes and Stein pulled in 49,941 votes." https://newrepublic.com/article/187038/jill-stein-green-party-grifter-hand-trump-white-house
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This is some serious gaslighting. Clinton was a terrible candidate and no one who would have voted for Stein would have voted for her. It’s fair to want to pattern-match these numbers but the reality is these green voters would probably vote PSA or just abstain before they’d vote for a hypermilitarist, pro-big bank, sexual abuse–enabler like Clinton.
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One last thing. I am way left of Harris. But I also believe that every step left a presidential candidate takes, they gain leftist voters and lose moderates and independents. They have to play the game and find the spot that gets them enough votes to win. If Harris was my perfect candidate, there is no way she could win a general election.
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I suspect you’re right. I’m a big believer that presidential systems are flawed and should be abandoned entirely. This entire conversation, in that context, is a waste of time. The best system we have currently is parliamentary democracy with proportional representation. However I remain open to even more democratic systems going forward. In any case, the US’ most urgent priority should be the abandonment of this flawed system.
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