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Granted, I have no understanding of European laws, but what is all the fuss about Elon hosting the AfD leader on a spaces? https://x.com/ThierryBreton/status/1875482430955532694
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Lots of Germany perceive - with much justification - AfD as Nazi disciples, and Breton seems to be really going hard at Musk as a separate matter (he is an EU politician not a German one)
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> AfD as Nazi disciples are they? I asked this other day and nothing seemed nazi. The party leader is a lesbian whose partner is a Sri Lankan woman I get that they're very nationalist and anti-immigration, but those ideas are not nazi and dont feel "far" right https://warpcast.com/ryanrodenbaugh.eth/0x79984dd6
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They want mass deportations and while that is not an idea restricted to Nazis, for the country that invented Nazism and did lots of this, it brings up those old memories I’m not German but there’s probably more and generally the Nazi accusation probably follows those ones. For cultures which never elected Nazis or suffered the enormous consequences, it is probably very hard to understate the role this plays in the national psyche
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Bigger picture, Germany in many respects in like a elephant in chains For a thousand years (since Charlemagne), Germany was split up into towns and led by neighborouing powers who were afraid of German strength should they unite Then they did unite in 1871, then humiliation in 1918, then doomed democracy until 1933, and then the Nazis The Germany we know today was built in the aftermath of a country which had a deep lack of confidence and a deep humility and embarrassment, entrenched by the post war division which literally only ended 35 years ago. Poland is still demanding war reparations. Adenauer who led Germany for a decade plus grew after WW2 up during empire, saw its failure, and then again the failure of democracy, and national humiliation It is a country with a deep aversion to assertive leadership and geopolitical dominance. This is so distinct from the USA, which exists Because its founding members sought to dominate its continent. Germany is an elephant in chains that it is scared to break
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> for the country that invented Nazism and did lots of this That's the comment I always want to caveat my questions about AfD with, but havent > chains that it is scared to break but this is the population? the politicians? Because while every other German political party is against AfD it seems to be 2nd in polls by only 10%?
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Yeah your 2nd point is v significant I think Definitely it’s a view that elites had, so the question is whether voters had it too Some of ideas 1: maybe The People NEVER bought into this much maybe there was always a constituency for AfD, but due to elite control of the media and who can run for power, they’ve never been heard or targeted, but now media disruption has made extremism easier 2: maybe this is an EVOLUTION of the national psyche because perhaps it’s Time; the rise of a generation that doesn’t remember war, or was born after the Wall fell 3: maybe its consequence of RECENT development, ie European countries are much less confident in their national identity these days due to migration, and this has caused a growth in AfD support that wasn’t possible before I think probably 2 & 3. I disagree that extremism is much easier these days, so doubt that AfD awakened a constituency that was always there. Charles Sumner affair and Hitler shows you can have extremism without modern technology
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