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"miyazaki is probably so upset" you are completely missing the point, of course none of us are aiming to create something that evokes even a sliver of the emotions that Ghibli movies do this is essentially fan art, accessible to everyone in seconds
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Michael Gingras (lilfrog)
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https://x.com/cpaik/status/1905019117326729546 thoughts?
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I think, unfortunately, Pandora's Box has already been opened when it comes to AI and copyright, artists getting compensation, etc.. I also agree with this take(https://x.com/the_carlosdp/status/1905069793176096942) : fan art has existed forever, people have created derivatives of others' work forever (see Dreamworks copying Pixar), and ultimately great art wins. There's also a big difference between Art and images. It's not clear to me that this is necessarily "positive sum" for Ghibli (although it is crazy good advertising), but I don't see how it would hurt them?
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Michael Gingras (lilfrog)
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Spending dozens of hours recreating a SG fan art would be an endearing gesture of fandom. Spending 5 seconds to have the model spit something out is devoid of work and doesn't feel like a genuine act of appreciation for the OG. Reminds me of what it would feel like to get a letter from Theo's letter writing service in the movie Her. If you believe that just getting a nice love letter from someone regardless of how it was created is equal to someone spending hours crafting their own personal love letter to you, then yes I can see how the ghibli-ification feels fine
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I don’t think the letter thing is comparable - context matters. If I sent a Ghibli thing to a friend and told them I made it by hand it would be shitty, but here everyone knows this was made quickly with AI Some people express fandom by collecting objects that the creator has made, some express it by making elaborate fan art in their domain
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Michael Gingras (lilfrog)
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Yes the point of nuance here is that using an AI to make a ghibli thing in 5 seconds is not elaborate fan art
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Actually curious what your think of something like this Took more time, effort, but to me feels arguably worse than the one offs on Twitter https://x.com/PJaccetturo/status/1905151190872309907
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Michael Gingras (lilfrog)
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I don't hate this, but fear the day that you can say "make LOTR in studio ghibli style" The nuance for me is that this still took 9 hours and genuine effort. To reference the substack you shared, maybe the "context" here is that this person is clearly a big fan of these two works and is combining them. Whereas the mass ghibli on the TL yesterday didn't really feel the same
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