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Perception of China, drilled down by country income level and age groups. Pew Research's latest global survey shows China is favored more positively by middle income countries & younger people compared to high income countries & older people. Full report: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/07/09/most-people-in-35-countries-say-china-has-a-large-impact-on-their-national-economy/

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if I had to guess… and guess I will… I’d say it’s because Chinese money positively influences middle countries the most (they lack access to cheap capital but have basic infrastructure) wealthy countries don’t always need or benefit from large inflows of cash from China (asset bubbles, pop. is weary of propaganda)

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I’d guess it’s less about pragmatics and more about social media

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@spaceman-spiff

That was going to be my guess. I listened to a pod the other day talking about how the tik-tok algo promotes Chinese propaganda and hides events that would be seen negatively. if this is one of the generations' primary information sources, this lean would fall in line with that model. It would be interesting to see a tik-tok adoption chart next to the sentiment chart for the demographics.

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Absolutely not. I've been using TikTok since 2020 (pandemic days) and while algo kept changing, it never had a Chinese bias. In fact let me put it this way: Go & search Tianenmen Square on TikTok. You'll find hundreds of videos about the massacre, Chinese gov't violence, etc. Then try to search "Bin Laden letter". It's blocked as per US gov't request. Today, US gov't controls TikTok more than Chinese gov't.

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@spaceman-spiff

I'm not questioning the the US government doesn't engage in the same sort of behavior, it is interesting that you point to an example of an event that is over 3 decades old as a reference though.

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Tianenmen Square is the most commonly used example by China critics when they refer to chinese censorship. Same applies to "Uyghur detention camps" too. Feel free to search, you'll get hundreds of results.

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@spaceman-spiff

Not really a rabbit hole I was trying to go too far down this morning, but I'm on my second cup of coffee so whatever. there is a difference between things you can find in search, and things that the algo puts in the feed. If people using tik tok as a primary source of information don't get this information in their feed, they will never search for it. so if the algo doesn't promote those posts, then it is effectively hiding them.

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These videos have hundreds of thousands of likes, millions of views. If algo didn't show them to relevant people, they wouldn't have had these views & likes. I see them but obv that's just anectodal. Algo is black box in almost all social media in the end. It's also funny to clutch pearls on this, because the entire Twitter/X algo now is catered towards alt-right because of its current owner, in fact there's a way to prove it with data: Check the tweets with words such as "genocide" or "Gaza" get 5x like-to-view ratio but have lower views than other topics, even from the same people. Certain topics are shadowbanned. When you raise it, Elon says "I defend freedom of speech, not freedom of reach" Not even going into Facebook, Youtube, etc which have more outright bans than either of these two.

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@spaceman-spiff

So what you are telling me is all these platforms have built in biases (which I agree with), but tik tok doesn't? Or are you saying it's just a different set of biases by the Chinese ownership with CCP oversight? 🤔

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✅ There's no visible CCP bias on TikTok in the West ✅ There's visible alt-right bias on Twitter ✅ There's visible government control on Meta/Google platforms (this is admitted by platforms) ✅ There's visible & admitted pro-CCP bias on TikTok within China (where it's called Douyin, not TikTok) ✅ The reason US gov't wants to ban TikTok is because gov't wants to take its 20-30% level influence to a more complete control (as is the case with Instagram/YouTube/etc)

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jumping in way to late: i'm not sure if anyone is saying there's CCP propaganda within the US app. Only that there is spyware. Additionally, bias outside of the country wouldn't be about not seeing Tiananmen Square, it would be about seeing negativity/bias regarding America in order to instil chaos in our minds To your point within China is where we see the Tiananmen Sqare censorship style work very much appreciate reading this conversation 🍖x1000

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Spaceman's post was referring to propaganda, hence the nature of the conversation above. I don't see any other bias myself. Yes young people are seeing the problems with institutions, but those are just facts. When I start a new TikTok account, and focus on data science, I see zero political content. Spyware claims are generally not backed with evidence. I mean they collect a ton of data (same as all social media, not more) but they're transparent. Afaik TikTok also shared even more resources with US gov't to disprove it. Of course it's impossible to disprove a claim when the claimants don't try to prove it.

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@spaceman-spiff

My source was the Tim Ferriss show from an ex deputy national security advisory: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hOMpnA-iMRg What are your sources?

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