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Long Religion Short Secular Trade of the century https://x.com/phtevenstrong/status/1786507381188248034
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you go to church?
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oh nah
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okay so what's your thesis
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at risk of putting a financial lens on a spiritual topic, especially before you've had a chance to respond to the above: where is your skin in the game? why are you sidelined on your own convictions? or is the tweet you've quoted not actually aligned with your belief? and if so, where do you differ from it?
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the tweet is marginal/adjacent to my beliefs but not necessarily aligned 1:1 i'm not pushing Christianity. or any religion to be clear. i don't consider myself advanced in my spiritual development to be doing that kinda thing. still a seeker.
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i think that's fair and valid no one should ask, but I'm gonna dump my opinion about this anyway: religiosity and spirituality are not the same religion is a forcing function for social connection, not connection to the divine. religious adherents connect to each other and develop a support network—THAT is their advantage in short: god is not what saves a congregation; congregating is. to intellectualize religion (as a concept) is to defeat it — in the worst way possible. the only way it works is a collective blinding. otherwise, there is no binding. spirituality is a separate thing. connecting to something larger than ourselves is difficult. arduous. it takes skill. religion, though, is lazy. automatic, even. in my view it's a shortcut to connection so, i don't doubt that the religious self-report as "thriving" but the spiritualists are seeking truth, not answers. a much harder path. long term, the religious encounter difficulty and rely on each other. the spiritual find it within themselves.
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in short, i feel I'm finding once again that the statistics are a lie masquerading as a profound (and even countercultural) truth religion is a schelling point for the same reason we say "show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome" it's not because God wants your ass in the pew it's because isolation is fatal
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ok it's fair to say we shouldn't be taking the masses' movement back toward religion as profound just cuz it's the masses. but it's not "just cuz". there is a specific psychological hypothesis that predicts this and explains why this would happen. also, correction: when i said "schelling point" i actually didn't mean it for everyone. i merely meant it "for myself". in other words, i'm not comfortable advocating Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism etc but "religion" as such is something i'm comfortable with as my own schelling point. (maybe shouldn't have used the term that way)
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somehow I disagree again: i would encourage everyone to pick a religion and go all in, and that it doesn't matter which (none of them will ever be provably more "true" than any other) the upside is, as you stated, the trade of the century. but for myself, religion has been poisoned, and I will likely never be able to stomach it again. i view this as a massive loss in my personal life (the grief of which, ironically, in my own view, brings me closer to god), but if God gave me judgement then i'm only using it the best way I know how. -- i think I come across as vehemently anti-religion, but it's not true. my allergy shouldn't stop anyone else from finding nutrients.
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"religion has been poisoned for me" many many many such cases brother, unfortunately. i really do totally understand.
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let me complete this for you: idt people should necessarily go toward religion if they developed a deeply grounded/real relationship with the divine in a different way (perhaps because religion has been poisoned for him or otherwise) like you did would hate to imply that everyone should be religious no matter what (the main post is to be viewed in terms of the current general societal context). spiritual journeys are highly personal and you are the ultimate writer of your unique individual destiny.
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