Caden Chase on Warpcast

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Long Religion Short Secular Trade of the century https://x.com/phtevenstrong/status/1786507381188248034

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you go to church?

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okay so what's your thesis

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at risk of putting a financial lens on a spiritual topic, especially before you've had a chance to respond to the above: where is your skin in the game? why are you sidelined on your own convictions? or is the tweet you've quoted not actually aligned with your belief? and if so, where do you differ from it?

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the tweet is marginal/adjacent to my beliefs but not necessarily aligned 1:1 i'm not pushing Christianity. or any religion to be clear. i don't consider myself advanced in my spiritual development to be doing that kinda thing. still a seeker.

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i think that's fair and valid no one should ask, but I'm gonna dump my opinion about this anyway: religiosity and spirituality are not the same religion is a forcing function for social connection, not connection to the divine. religious adherents connect to each other and develop a support network—THAT is their advantage in short: god is not what saves a congregation; congregating is. to intellectualize religion (as a concept) is to defeat it — in the worst way possible. the only way it works is a collective blinding. otherwise, there is no binding. spirituality is a separate thing. connecting to something larger than ourselves is difficult. arduous. it takes skill. religion, though, is lazy. automatic, even. in my view it's a shortcut to connection so, i don't doubt that the religious self-report as "thriving" but the spiritualists are seeking truth, not answers. a much harder path. long term, the religious encounter difficulty and rely on each other. the spiritual find it within themselves.

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in short, i feel I'm finding once again that the statistics are a lie masquerading as a profound (and even countercultural) truth religion is a schelling point for the same reason we say "show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome" it's not because God wants your ass in the pew it's because isolation is fatal

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and, to be clear, I would bet money that religious, regular church-goers 1) live longer 2) are happier 3) earn more money 4) are more economically productive than their secular peers. but God is a wolf in sheep's clothing. ironically, I'm reminded of this quote, from a religious context: "the devils are beautiful and attractive, in order to deceive. "the angels are fearsome and monstrous, in order to ward away the uncommitted." -- it's a deeply problematic opinion with many internal inconsistencies (and, trust me, I've been a seeker for... 13 years now, through some of the most difficult circumstances; I'm no stranger to how my view is not just wrong, but unethical to espouse), but I don't think religion brings us closer to god. i think only suffering can do that.

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ok it's fair to say we shouldn't be taking the masses' movement back toward religion as profound just cuz it's the masses. but it's not "just cuz". there is a specific psychological hypothesis that predicts this and explains why this would happen. also, correction: when i said "schelling point" i actually didn't mean it for everyone. i merely meant it "for myself". in other words, i'm not comfortable advocating Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism etc but "religion" as such is something i'm comfortable with as my own schelling point. (maybe shouldn't have used the term that way)

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