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Dwayne 'The Jock' Ronson
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Long Religion Short Secular Trade of the century https://x.com/phtevenstrong/status/1786507381188248034
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Caden Chase
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you go to church?
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Dwayne 'The Jock' Ronson
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oh nah
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Caden Chase
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okay so what's your thesis
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Caden Chase
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at risk of putting a financial lens on a spiritual topic, especially before you've had a chance to respond to the above: where is your skin in the game? why are you sidelined on your own convictions? or is the tweet you've quoted not actually aligned with your belief? and if so, where do you differ from it?
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Dwayne 'The Jock' Ronson
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the tweet is marginal/adjacent to my beliefs but not necessarily aligned 1:1 i'm not pushing Christianity. or any religion to be clear. i don't consider myself advanced in my spiritual development to be doing that kinda thing. still a seeker.
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Caden Chase
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i think that's fair and valid no one should ask, but I'm gonna dump my opinion about this anyway: religiosity and spirituality are not the same religion is a forcing function for social connection, not connection to the divine. religious adherents connect to each other and develop a support network—THAT is their advantage in short: god is not what saves a congregation; congregating is. to intellectualize religion (as a concept) is to defeat it — in the worst way possible. the only way it works is a collective blinding. otherwise, there is no binding. spirituality is a separate thing. connecting to something larger than ourselves is difficult. arduous. it takes skill. religion, though, is lazy. automatic, even. in my view it's a shortcut to connection so, i don't doubt that the religious self-report as "thriving" but the spiritualists are seeking truth, not answers. a much harder path. long term, the religious encounter difficulty and rely on each other. the spiritual find it within themselves.
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Caden Chase
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in short, i feel I'm finding once again that the statistics are a lie masquerading as a profound (and even countercultural) truth religion is a schelling point for the same reason we say "show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome" it's not because God wants your ass in the pew it's because isolation is fatal
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Dwayne 'The Jock' Ronson
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couldn't disagree more. there's so much to say but a couple things: 1) actually i do agree that religiosity and spirituality are exactly not the same and i'm intentionally using them interchangeably. part of the reason being, again, idt most of us here are advanced enough in these subjects where this matters, and often they can stand in for each other, and sometimes the interchanging helps people get through psychological blocks. but in contexts where the difference matters, we should make it clear 2) religion CAN and often is a great forcing function for social connection but is primarily and objectively one of the best conduits for connection with the divine. not the only, to be sure. and i have no clue if it's the best. to think otherwise strikes me as absurd tbh. you simply just need to look at the history of religion. as complicated and messy as it is, it is also highly reliable as a vehicle. its fundamental function is to make the divine accessible (an insane feat)
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