drewcoffman
@drewcoffman.eth
iām sad that no social platform has ever made the act of sharing music fun
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Trigs
@trigs
I think the main problem is that music access is gated by walled gardens. Imagine if Spotify was a protocol that anyone could build apps on top of and user data was totally composable behind zk or fhe for total user controllable privacy. We'd be having so much fun sharing music that our ears might fall off.
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Tom Kell
@kellphone
All for this. Counterpoint - what could you not getting cooking with the Spotify API? I'm feeling like it's more the killer idea/mechanic/adopted behaviour more than it is the technical limitations
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Trigs
@trigs
Access to user data and music streaming control in a composable way. Spotify API only lets you stream what they allow you to have access to. Totally limits the killer idea experimentation to find new adopted behaviors. Eg. Spotify is just now finally starting to make intelligent playlist suggestions. I just got "you seem to listen to this type of music on Saturday mornings: here's a playlist! - that kind of experimentation is really slow cuz it's all in-house development Eg. Users can't share their data with each other. "Blended" playlists is the closest, but there's no user controls. If ppl had sovereign control over sharing their data there would be so much more experimentation with profiles and collaborative playlists Eg. Yearly wrap ups are pretty stupid and useless because they are too simple, broad, and filtration of what ppl listen to has no context. Experimentation with this data would unveil amazing insights into listener preferences. I could go on š
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Tom Kell
@kellphone
Spotify API gives you access to every single song. You can build your own algorithm on top of that (see similar boppers here https://bopping.to/@tom__kell). OP @drewcoffman.eth is chatting about "sharing" which is a intentional thing right? No need for data when it's "I know who would like this" and posting "if you like this you'll like this"
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Trigs
@trigs
Yeah but obviously that's not working. That's the whole premise of an open protocol (and Blockchains, tbh). It's something to build on top of. Look at Farcaster. Anyone can build on it and access the data of the social graph. Look at Warpcast and frames: now devs can access the social graph and get distribution instantly by throwing up a frame. Massively exponentiating the amount of experimentation compared to what is happening on Facebook or Twitter. Spotify keeps their social graph secret, so anyone building on the API has to create their own social graph of data. That's what a walled garden is. To the OP's point: sharing a link to a song or playlist isn't innovative or fun. That's the whole point. We could be doing incredible things with custom AI tuning and autonomous collaborating across a composable social graph if Spotify empowered users to have data sovereignty.
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Tom Kell
@kellphone
I'm all for that, we've done a load of blockchain building with @supercollector (I think data on what you *really* love is more valuable that what you might have put on in the background). Real talk is that Spotify aren't going to give up what they monetise, just not going to happen, I'd love it to, but it won't, but I also think that it mostly powers lean-back auto-play stuff that causes a certain amount of apathy towards music listening. Me knowing all your listening data is not so valuable to me, me knowing how our data overlaps can make guesses to what I might enjoy but the pro-active *sharing* of music using existing established social platforms is my take on what the OP thinks could be explored more - and kinda more healthy for music culture?? Either way it's a real challenge that hasn't been cracked.. yet
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