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tldr (tim reilly)
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Love to see Elon use sports analogy
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Jawa
@jawa
Is he building America’s team or his own?
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tldr (tim reilly)
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He seems to say that his team winning depends on America's team winning. This makes sense to me.
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Jawa
@jawa
Back to the sports analogy. How does a privately owned team having a winning lineup benefit the population at large? Better entertainment? No. It’s just helping the guys at the top make bigger profits.
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tldr (tim reilly)
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I think this is overstating how much this broad policy – skilled immigration – will impact Elon's companies compared to US at large. The US benefits directly from the policy; Elon's companies benefit incidentally, being US companies. Or do you think that Elon's companies are going to be winning from these policies *at the expense* of the US as a whole?
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Jawa
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You’ve bought into the billionaires narrative. Elon’s companies benefit directly. The U.S. benefit is incidental if there is any. The 6000 people he laid off at Twitter sure aren’t singing his praise.
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tldr (tim reilly)
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I don't think I've bought into a narrative. I understand that most people have private interests that they pursue above all else, and I don't really expect Elon to be different there. I just think it makes sense in this case that Elon's interests (US leading the world in high tech development) are aligned with those of the US at large. So if he personally wins due to the US as a whole winning first, that does not bother me. It's a net good. You seem to be confident that Elon interests must be directly misaligned with those of the whole country. But I haven't seen you show any specific evidence for that. It seems more like a general feeling you have about billionaires in general and Elon in specific.
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Jawa
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My main objection is to the framing of this as FIRST good for America. That’s a narrative that serves their interests over ours. As an American I’d like access to best BYD cars (or any other cars that exist in the worldwide market). Elon’s fighting hard to keep our market closed, retain those profits at all of our expenses. Where you see him pursuing profits bringing us benefits, I see similar downsides.
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