honestly React Hooks and JSX are so fucking annoying. Just let me use god damn JavaScript for fucks sake. All this extra magic with useEffects, new syntax and producing incompatibilities with the regular JS event loop model is soooooo confusing. I now notice because I'm using nodejs a lot where everything is consistent

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Well put. After years of React pain I migrated to Svelte-land. It has minor issues but it’s way better than the alternatives.

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no sorry I also don‘t like svelte. I just want to write JS 😂

all of kiwi is just JS and it's great. my only problem in nodejs is actually that it exposes too little controls around e.g. multi threading and other low level system controls. But whatever, everything I had in mind ended up working somehow so far

It’s rare to write JS with JS these days…

Also, Svelte is JS. They even stretched JS label syntax to avoid using custom parser.