polynya
@polynya
Forgive my incessant whining about complete and utter obsession over infra and degeneracy that is crippling the crypto industry This is it, this is what this industry needs, more of this please I don't agree with a lot of this post, but that doesn't matter https://warpcast.com/vitalik.eth/0xadd7345c
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✳️ dcposch on daimo
@dcposch.eth
What do you disagree with?
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polynya
@polynya
Mostly nitpicks, but a major theme is that I think cypherpunk concepts are useless at best, and actively dangerous at worst, in some of the suggested usecases. They are also not as decentralized as what's labeled as "centralized" in some cases. But that doesn't matter, at this point anything but infra obsession welcome
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Devansh Mehta
@thedevanshmehta
Something that's unmentioned in the article is how unsafe roll-ups are for assets minted natively on the L2 We've made it seem like scaling and cost is all solved with L2s, but consumer apps should be made more aware that they don't inherit ethereums security unless they bridge from the L1
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✳️ dcposch on daimo
@dcposch.eth
No, a real stage2 rollup is as unstoppable as L1, its native assets just as permanent
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androidsixteen
@androidsixteen.eth
It’s only as “unstoppable” if the block proposer (sequencer) set is the same as the L1’s set right? Otherwise the sequencer(s) can stop the rollup and cause a liveness failure If the rollup inherits the full validator set, then this is just a worse form of “big blocking”. What am I missing?
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✳️ dcposch on daimo
@dcposch.eth
No stage2 has permissionless sequencing. You’re not reliant on a small group for liveness.
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Devansh Mehta
@thedevanshmehta
Can you force withdraw assets stored in a smart wallet / contract minted natively on an L2 rollup ? I don't think that's possible even for stage 2
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androidsixteen
@androidsixteen.eth
Probably not, because there's no corresponding "deposit" on L1. You could likely use the native messaging bridge to burn and mint to a facsimile token contract on L1 Or, sell it on a DEX if liveness is preserved
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