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reading the Canceling of the American Mind and the intro outlines how both the political left + right have built rhetorical defenses that avoid actual debate. the left’s: complex, layering personal attacks to block any criticism the right’s: simpler, dismissing experts, journalists and Trump critics both rely on what the authors dub "The Great Untruth of Ad Hominem,” which is that “bad people only have bad opinions.” we see this happening across the board with the H1B debate: calling someone a billionaire, big tech, indian, white, MAGA, second generation, etc. to refute their points. society as a whole argues for power and status using identity politics. seemingly everyone is guilty.

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Beware those who go personal immediately, usually because of weak position logically.

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Well said and one of the reasons that Erasmus of Rotterdam has my respect 🫡

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I dunno, I feel like holding people accountable for their shitty actions is probably a good thing, and the term "cancel culture" was invented to trivialize and discount legitimate calls for accountability. I have yet to see any examples of someone who was actually "cancelled" who didn't fully deserve it, and the popularization of actually calling out bad behavior has seemed to be a clear net win for society.

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For me so many of these debates fall flat because I just don’t buy the “bad people” argument. I dot believe more than .01% of the population is “bad”. A lot of effort is spent dehumanizing people to justify one side of an argument.

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Education is the only way out, IMO

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That last line is salient. In the attention economy, everyone seems to be moving towards “trusted experts” to make decisions for them. In a world like that, it’s inevitable that people will automatically dismiss anything outside of their “trust circle”

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The left and the right wing belong to the same bird.

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It's almost as if the political arena itself lives in these "suitcase words" that make vague and generalized group judgments. Suitcase words, by themselves, can be used poorly or respectably. Suitcase words reference something that has specific contextual packaging for the underlying assumptions. Its short hand. But not knowing the context is just as damaging as knowing it. In other words, dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. I have a rule for myself when it comes to these indistinct, and vague "suitcase words" as I am calling them. And that is if I am going to use them, I must use them in a way that unfolds and explains my assumptions so that it is digestible by the ears of those generally outside my disposition. In my estimation, if you don't... You WILL be misunderstood, and you will further divide the classes. This is not only true generally in class and economic perspective, but from cultural and relationship perspective.

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This post presents an untraceable social problem *if* one forgets that liberals are centrists (and further right every day), not the left. "The Left" is popular discourse is a strawman made of tropes from centrist proglibs and politically irrelevant Twitter commies and socdems. There's no representation of the actual Left in media, which means there's no representation of logic, material analysis and post-capitalist economics. It's a false binary meant to produce the echo chamber you describe, and silence any deviation from the status quo which doesn't serve the owning class.

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How might we affect a positive change in this environment? If my goal is to be right/correct then what benefit is it to “win” that argument if I have no power or influence to enact a positive change? If my goal is to seize power no matter the price, am I morally bankrupt and incapable of doing what is right?

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