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Elpizo Choi
@elpizo
Something that ties the economy of all these FC idle games (/eggsfun /stokefire /farville)together in an interesting way. Ex: Farville crops or $EGGS let you hire NPCs that chop wood faster, add to your defense, or automatically stoke your fire for you.
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Steve
@sdv.eth
This _might_ work if the core mechanics were permissionless smart contracts but being web servers they have to be financially incentivized to stay online. We have Loot since 2021 (albeit very barebones) and it's gone nowhere because there's no incentive 🤷
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Elpizo Choi
@elpizo
Agree - I haven’t checked which are smart contracts & which are run solely on servers. Ironically I think Loot lost steam because we were in an era of hyperfinancialization. Money 1st, fun 2nd, maybe. There just weren’t a lot of fun, sticky products. What I love about this gen of FC games is they feel like fun 1st, money 2nd. FC as a distribution channel can also help this time around.
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Steve
@sdv.eth
Yeah, that era was peak "devs do something". Today AI changed a lot where more and more people can be the devs they wanted to see. Though I'd partially disagree with the fun first, money second argument. If this were true the games could use other constructs besides ERC20 which are subjective to speculative trading. Which is fine if that's the goal of the project. But when guised as a game, the main mechanic is the market cap and the game is fun when you're up and bad when you're down.
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Elpizo Choi
@elpizo
I could see that, but I also don’t think ERC20 exclusively = speculative trading. Composability is another benefit, hence the idea of integrating tokens into broader economy. For me fun 1st means not centering the game on money entirely. The fundamental mechanics have to be fun, and there’s gotta be utility to tokens that make sense. But completely divorcing these games from tokens also seems like unnecessary handicapping ourselves from utilizing what the tech offers.
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Steve
@sdv.eth
Definitely, seems like composability is the big sell for web3 games! Closest to this reality iirc was EtherOrcs but with composability and novelty seeking came complexity and eventual loss of interest. And you're right, I was too harsh on ERC20s. I meant to say there are other ways to utilize smart contracts to have similar utility without being subject to speculatooooors. "Message to Martians" had a novel "credit system" which basically let users have a tokenless balance for upgrading their NFTs. This was a big inspiration to a heavily-inspired EtherOrcs cloned (that I briefly contributed to) called Ethernal Elves. I'm a life long gamer, my degree is in game design, and I really want to see one of these pan out! I guess with time in the market I've grown a bit jaded of how much money dominates attention, and there's not much people building 100% unstoppable and composable smart contracts, e.g. Synthetic Loot.
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