Gm everyone,

Today I see that Warpcast decided to label the tool /impact is building to improve the ecosystem as spam. There was no warning.

This is a tool designed specifically to help discover (and financially reward) builders & creators based on their impact to Farcaster, and not just based on what the engagement algos favor.

As I already said, Warpcast needs to fundamentally rethink its spam policy.

There should be more categories than just regular user vs spammer.

Tips are not spam. Bots that support the network are not spam. These should all be in separate categories, and users should have the ability to decide if they want to see them or not. Not just put everything under the fold.

As I also said before, I'm a Farcaster permabull, so I'll keep developing tools to empower users & communities on FC.

Today I'm also very bearish on WC - far too many people already left the network bc of algos that suppress artists' frames, aggressively label users as spammers, and generally make newcomers unwelcome

Discussed with Mike, the problem is some spammy users triggering the bot to mention other users. 

I like mike's suggestions of letting bots opt in to a tag, we'll do that soon. But in the mean time: 

1. If your bot is replying to the person that invoked it, that's fine. 

2. If your bot is replying to or mentioning people that did not invoke it, that's less fine. Especially if a user can trigger your bot to mention another user

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do ppl actually relaly care this much about a little superflous tagging and or “unwanted” replies etc…. where is the data on this? why is it such a big deal? is that actually representative of most users? or is it just catering to a small subset of users that are apparently super high maintenance and cant handle posting into a PUBLIC FORUM and getting interactions that they dont “like”? like is that really what all of this is all about?  do most actual ppl using this app alot even really care much at all? esp. when they have block and muting abilities? what gives?

It's got to be either a very low spam report tolerance threshold, or a boost for reports from certain users.

Can't imagine most people would report a bot as *spam* just because they don't want to participate when the mute/block options are right next to report.

Doesn't Twitter have a multistep report flow to try dissuade unnecessary spam reports by directing people to mute/block?

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ya its bizarre, and we have like no transparency what this is actually based on except like dan claiming that it is a problem for users allegedly with little to no support to support that (even of that was sufficient justification for the intensity of the preoccupation with it in the first place)

I don't know who specifically is claiming what but this is the wild west, people are experimenting with new ideas and capabilities that have never existed before... I think people really need to have some chill on the "report cast" button and reserve it for objectively bad stuff

OR if thats happening the developers perhaps mebbe at least dig even just slightly more into it to find out whether the reports they are receiving are actually warranted and really call for such drastic measure to stay preoccupied with? idk just a thought:)

Absolutely, the reports should be manually reviewed IMO - it's hard to believe the volumes are high enough to warrant auto-suspension; this seems to fall firmly in the "do things that don't scale so that you don't alienate your users" category. At the very least there should be counter-signals i.e. qDAU users engaging with the alleged spammer should push this up to the top of the list.

basically every single user i interact with on a daily basis is confused by this nor has any complaints in this area. how the hell is that possible?