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Base & Farcaster both need more counter cultures Crypto needs *intetnal* counter culture We have essentially three major cultures as I see it: startup & milady & zealot Milady = shitcoin traders on sol, rug pullers in discord trenches making memes that Elon retweets Startup = tech people, VCs, people with real jobs at companies Zealots = nerds & ideologues who were here early for strong, intellectual and political reasons. Mission driven, highly technical. There is plenty of overlap, and lots of retail & alt-chain grifters with no real identity in between. We need space for people who don’t really identify with the stuff we have done, but who are down to use crypto for their own reasons. We need those people & we need big culture wars with them. Would be good to see some fresh juice in the system vibes wise

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just to push back on this because i think its an important discussion for many reasons; firstly i agree wholeheartedly, counter culture is good. it is sign of progress 1. milady is not the solana memecoin culture. from my understanding of what i pieced together and from what ive heard in gcs, retardio was created by milady holders and just like many derivs that are made by holders it was given support as remillia community but not assets. they've since grown bigger, hence why people assume that is milady 2. VC culture is real bad, totally agree with that. im not sure there's a solution other than integrating and reintegrating users into cypherpunk values. back to basics of dont trust, verify 3. zealots are gone, or at least nowhere near as vocal. unless we're counting BTC maxis, but nobody counts them. most ETH/SOL talk comes from ppl who trade both. I know 1 extremely hard-core ETH head. i struggle to call sol maxis a maxi bc they're that way for profit reasons, not because they believe in the tech

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Well the genius move from Remilia was creating an opposite counter culture just after Milady That way you create clash on the community & you effectively split community values, you can be a shadowy leftist trans milady dev or a trump supporter remilio & its totally okay for everyone Remilia can be anyone & thats probably whats lacking on FC

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agreed, fundamentally big tent while also feeling exclusive or aspirational around mint out was also a time when crypto felt quite distant not just from its own founding ideologies (cypherpunk, anarcho-cap, etc) but was mainly chasing a repetitive cycle of low-effort NFT 'communities' & Ohm-fork grifts Milady felt so refreshing just the fact that the project conjured an actual identity, stood for something, fostered an ethos was so unique. and then that they managed to build on that and grow it out through hundreds of derivatives, multiple cancellations, internal conflict, success... now it feels more 'establishment' to me, its become one of the core CT character arcs, look forward to whatever comes next thats totally different

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