I suspect we are at some sort of leisure tipping point. A shift that happens when less than 50% of weekday time is dominated by work.  A huge number of remote workers are there.  And a huge flood of retirees. 

Is this a good thing? I suspect not in the short term. Our world is still dominated by economic and work narratives.

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Disagree. Most people actually want to work as hard as they can, modulo health/talent etc., at a meaningful outlet for effort. Most checking-out/laying flat/quiet quitting isn't a positive preference for leisure. It's lack of outlet for meaningful effort. 

Even retirees and invalids. Within their limits they want to effort-max.

Even mediocrats like me. We don't solve for *excellence* or *efficiency* or *optimality* crafting a strategic slacking posture is actually a kind of thoroughness-oriented effort-maxing.

The principle of following the path of least resistance is true, but it is NOT the same thing as least effort. Resistance is a function of the direction you choose to go, not the effort you're willing to put out.

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hmm i think the word leisure trips you up when i use it

i agree with what you are saying

im just saying formal work is becoming a smaller part of peoples lives (labor hours have been dropping pretty consistently), and shifting back and forth between "at work" and "working on stuff" will be an interesting challenge

i think lay-flat / quiet quitting is a failure mode

i wouldnt call that leisure at all, its more like sloth, disinterest, acediaor something

this is based on the American Time Use survey. this is how much average FT remote workers (defined as working at home on average day) and in-office FT workers report "working" in formal work

the ATUS buckets most non work into "leisure" including watching TV and reading, and household chores

i am sort of shocked at the lower hours + added in time for prep

I think this is an underreported shift

i think you are in a beef deficit 😂 

I completely agree - if you look at time use surveys with retired people, mostly people add a lot of TV watching and passive entertainment, I don't think people will suddenly start doing deep blog posts or chasing curiosity - I actually don't really know what it means for the future. i suspect its disorienting for many

this was sparked based on this recent time use survey >30M "full time" remote workers are working about 5ish hours a day. i found that surprising

If theres diagreement I think you underestimate how different formal + informal work feels because youve been so curiosity driven for so long. i would claim its much different and many retirees I talk to say that too

i think you are in a beef deficit 😂 

I completely agree - if you look at time use surveys with retired people, mostly people add a lot of TV watching and passive entertainment, I don't think people will suddenly start doing deep blog posts or chasing curiosity - I actually don't really know what it means for the future. i suspect its disorienting for many

this was sparked based on this recent time use survey >30M "full time" remote workers are working about 5ish hours a day. i found that surprising

If theres diagreement I think you underestimate how different formal + informal work feels because youve been so curiosity driven for so long. i would claim its much different and many retirees I talk to say that too 

https://warpcast.com/pmillerd/0x871cbab0

I think there's still an element of disagreement here. I think formal/informal is mostly a red herring, and I don't think I have as much of a visceral allergic reaction to institutional scripts etc.

Possibly it has to do with how much effort goes towards "personal life enrichment" vs. more general kinds of effort. I don't think people actually want as much personal-life enrichment as they claim or think.