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Jonny Mack
@nonlinear.eth
@balajis.eth what happens to a so called network "state" when guys with guns show up? violence is what defines the line between a country and a country club, no? ofc one can point to places like singapore but these are the historical exception, not the rule
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balajis
@balajis.eth
Some answers: 1) Decentralized networks are hard to invade. You can get physically attacked in N places but take refuge in the other K. 2) Crypto networks are also hard to rob 3) You can contract with local states for protection 4) Many netizens will retain dual citizenship for a while, just as people hold BTC & USD
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Shawki Sukkar
@shawki
david friedman goes through some examples on how that might work in the machinery of freedom.
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Luke Weaver
@lukeweaver.eth
What if the physical land the network state carves out is decentralized? What if they own small plots of land in different states or different countries even? So showing up with guns would need coordinated effort from every state/nation.
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@hillis
the Hobbesian state of nature is not irrelevant, but it's a narrow view of the future of international relations. possible alternatives: 1. defense becomes a thin layer of the state stack you buy a la carte 2. modern technology creates sovereign individuals/small groups 3. economic power creates de facto protection
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Blutoshi
@blutoshi.eth
This is the question I wrestle with. Love the idea of the Network State but if we can create some powerful, decentralized network groups, the path to success and real, defensible land ownership would have to come by transforming countries from within and becoming its leadership.
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@tomhoward
You really can't have a state without "resources" and for Network States those resources are digital, thus not physically confiscatible. Like any other small state which is able to maintain control over its resources, in engages in trade, and forms alliances with the local superpower for protection.
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@grin
@perl #networkstate
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Mark Fishman
@markfishman
I think decentralization may help protect the Network, but it seems much easier to commit “terrorism” by picking off individuals will people want to be part of a state that won’t protect them?
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@kenny
you fight back with guns but I'd expect this situation to be exceedingly rare among network states since their power isn't due to a monopoly on violence. I think it's safe to assume traditional states have more of a tendency towards external violence vs network states built by citizens that freely opt in
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