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Reading medieval History has broken my brain and now I’m obsessed with the idea of a CME destroying the electrical grid and satellites, plunging the world into chaos and darkness and having this being interpreted as divine punishment like the Black Plague was. God’s wrath for TikTok, crypto, lab grown meat and the people who lie about the efficacy of their shitty gummy vitamins
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It would be crazy to watch all the electric cars and power lines catch fire.
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And you wouldn’t know what was happening. Like you could intuit but there would be no way to confirm
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That’s the fun part. Knowing what likely happened but telling stupid people that it was gnomes or god or Woke or whatever, just for kicks.
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Dude if it happens it was God. I mean I know what it is but also God did that. On purpose. To punish us. I am rolling with that absolutely
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That’s good, but include a twist. Either an obscure god, or divine punishment for something like “mixing cooking oils.”
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No but I really believe this Nerdy and the cause is our collective moral collapse 😭
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Just for kicks, define “our?” The whole world? And when were we moral? As an aside - All gods exist for the same reason: they’re created (or adopted with scripture changes) to justify the reign of the current local leadership. Every single god was created for that purpose. So naturally their punishment must be related to questioning the local god-king/king/emperor/regent. Therefore we must mock them with nonsensical motives.
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Well the “we” here is the Western world! The creators of the moral universals we now ignore! Your view of God is so cynical! Yes religion has often been co opted by rulers but it is so much more than that !
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My view may be cynical but it is also correct. Religion has other roles in society, sure. Leaders aren’t co-opting religion. They’re using it for its intended purpose: the divine right of kings. Enforcing social order and power structures. Affording rulers excuses for their failures, and justifying their excesses. Keeping a large portion of the population subservient. “I know it seems wrong but it’s god’s will and who are we to question it?”Everything else is window dressing.
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It feels reductionist and intellectually lazy to me to boil down all of religion as an instrument of power, not to mention incredibly materialist Your view says humans invented God to control one another But it’s just as plausible humans felt the presence of the divine and built systems around that The religious ideals you view as systems of control also produce the ideals that led people to challenge rulers not to submit to them If it’s all about control it did a horrible job of staying only in the hands of the powerful!
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I mean fair enough, I am definitely being reductionist. And the role of religion has shifted after the enlightenment in many western countries (although probably not a permanent shift). But in my defense, it would take all day to begin with greek city-states and their local deities from among the pantheon, travel over to god-kings of ancient Egypt, China, Japan, then pop over to Rome’s adaptation and alteration of greek then Christian gods. Chart how after the fall of Rome, the Catholics church’s monopoly on ordaining monarchs and approving royal marriages. Track the corruption causing the Protestant reformation (fracturing into several religions doing the same thing). Following its progress until the founding of the Church of England, and the role of religion in America…
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Well and exactly! the exact fact that religion has so many different expressions, across wildly different cultures and political systems, is what makes it irreducible to just a tool of power I would say 😊
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I would argue that each culture’s leaders adopted a religion (based on indigenous beliefs) for the purpose of control, then made that religion into formal institutions to preserve their own power. The US is pretty unique in that there was a deliberate separation between religion and government, leading to many branches of protestantism. But even in the US, you’ve got the Southern Baptist church, which was founded to preserve slavery (an entrenched power structure that propped up their elite), Mormons (an attempt to found a new nation around Smith), and the adherents of prosperity gospel which is trying to ordain Trump a divine ruler.
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If every religious institution is just a control mechanism invented by elites, then what isn’t? What belief system do you think is worth building on?
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😂
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Sorry I couldn’t help myself 😂
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If the teachings of christ can be perverted into the belief of conservative politicians, there is nothing that won’t be perverted. Just stress empathy and accountability?
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