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@hyp
We may think of order and entropy/chaos as opposites, but actually causality and entropy that are opposites, yet two sides of one coin. Causality is just order in motion.
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@hyp
Order through time.
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@nerdy
If you mix random ratios of gas long enough, theyāll be distributed fairly evenly. Seems ordered to me, despite the increase in entropy valuesā¦
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When you get to into definitions of āorderā itās about how well details can be summarized by some other means. The more stares that are equivalent, the more entropy. If all gas molecules are ordered into a cube in perfect alignment and static, thatās easy to describe and ordered, if they are randomly bouncing around the container, thatās high entropy with nearly infinite equivalent āstates.ā
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@nerdy
I propose we re-write every cookbook to say āmaximize entropyā instead of āmix ingredientsā
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What this gets at is that order and chaos are all in the eye of the beholder. And perhaps why the concept is often so confusing. In many ways a glass of water seems more ordered than a block of ice.
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@nerdy
Yeah, kinda what I was getting at with my first comment. When my physics prof described a universe with maximum entropy I thought āhuh, that sounds kinda orderly actually.ā
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Thought same, but the thing is itās about the details not the surface. The surface feature like āpressureā is easily describable, but the details are not. So itās high entropy.
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@nerdy
Letās call itā¦ stochastic order
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@nerdy
Emergent order?
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Yes! in fact, I've been writing about this at /mirror-loom https://paragraph.xyz/@mirrorandloom/the-observer-paradox There's also rapidly adopted model for consciousness by Erik Hoel called Causal Emergence. A bit different in that it's about how causality is not ground-up as much as top down based on error correction/noise reduction.
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@nerdy
The nature and threshold of consciousness is something Iāve been quite interested in lately. Iāll check it out!
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