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Crazy question raised by traitor tracing: How much money would it take to betray your friend? Traitor tracing is the best mitigation we have for server side privacy breaches (the core of the MPC v TEE discussion) MPC == "server that stores your data" is split between 10 people, users are hoping they don't get together to peek TEE == "server that stores your data" is a fancy box that's hard to break in to, users are hoping Google doesn't peek Unclear which one's better. Both are bad for the same reason: peeking historically hasn't been punishable Not good. Crypto rests on bad actors getting punished. It's why staking is so important How to make peeking punishable? For TEEs, there's no active proposal. For MPC, there is, and it's called traitor tracing. Traitor tracing == a way for a someone to prove their friend peeked via math i.e. If me and my buddy peek together. We're both traitors. My buddy can turn on me and slash me to oblivion
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"Wtf, we already scrapped TEEs in 2019, how can people forget" - common complaint floating around now Isn't accurate. Current discourse isn't "forgetting" and pushing the same approach again. The landscape has completely changed since 2019: - [1] Alternative risks to not deploying enclaves have increased. Eg: risk of casino winning - [2] Complementary technologies that patch up enclave shortcomings have been productionized. Eg: zkVMs - [3] Clearer now that exotic forms of cryptography won't get the job done anytime soon. Eg: attribute-based encryption - [4] New virtualization-based enclave designs available. Eg: TDX This is technology. Trying old ideas again under new conditions is the backbone of our innovation cycle. If "we've tried that already" was our industry's motto, we wouldn't have Tesla, Oculus, or even Bitcoin.
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