Music

absolutely not. 

you think music just falls out of a coconut tree?

"pure" is a fallacy: knowing ANYTHING interferes with "pure appreciation of music"

and beside the premise itself being impossible, i have a person conviction that the opposite is true.

For more context: 

In his book "Tools of Titans," Tim Ferriss asks Derek Sivers (creator of CD Baby) to share something he believes that others might think is crazy. Here's his response: 

I believe that music and people don’t mix; that music should be appreciated alone without seeing or knowing who the musicians are and without other people around. Just listening to music for its own sake, not listening to the people around you and not filtered through what you know about the musician’s personal life.

I def don't think music falls out of a tree. I used "pure" because I believe that appreciating music often involves a human connection with the artist. Understanding who they are as a person and their experiences enhances the connection to their music

i'd rather kill the radio and listen to the rain hit.

I def don't think music falls out of a tree. I used "pure" because I believe that appreciating music often involves a human connection with the artist. Understanding who they are as a person and their experiences enhances the connection to their music 

https://warpcast.com/ghostlinkz.eth/0x62cdb123

I believe your clarification of "pure", AND I want to take my own argument even further: 

if anything, you cannot have a "pure appreciation" for any piece of music, UNLESS you know everything about the artist and the reasons the song was composed how it was.

This is true. Adding pure wasn't necessary, but at least we are emphasizing that without knowing much about the artists, you can't really claim to fully appreciate the music

lol yes. and this discussion could also benefit from a clarification about the difference between 'appreciation' and 'enjoyment'

I enjoy a LOT of music far more because I do not know the backstory

That's an interesting perspective. Do you think enjoyment is more about being in the moment with the music, while appreciation involves understanding the backstory and having access to source material?

We definitely need to curate a playlist with everyone in the channel that features "songs you don't enjoy but still appreciate"

enjoyment, I would say, is rooted in the body. the best we get is an intellectualization of a felt sense. 

appreciation, for my money, is an intellectualization itself. maybe concerning cultural value. maybe a critique of style, or technique. and indeed, sometimes we appreciate something BECAUSE we enjoy it so much, like when our favorite artist's latest album continues to not disappoint us.

and to confirm the semantic distinction: there are MANY songs I don't enjoy that I still appreciate!