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FC Top 30 Active Users (March vs April) I don't enjoy saying this, but there's a significant amount of spam and bots inflating the protocol stats. Don't take my word for it, examine the data. Perhaps we should start saying active "accounts" rather than "users."
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raw activity counts will always be higher for bots, that’s kind of the point of permissions protocols (and some bots can actually be useful). It’s the same on HTTP and SMTP If measuring just absolute activity, “accounts” is the right way to think about it
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There is a difference between useful bots and CIB (coordinated inauthentic behavior) by accounts who are only here to farm memecoins. The incentives are what drive new users/accounts and they also determine their behaviour once they have joined.
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Ofc that’s why raw activity numbers are account level, not user level
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But no one is sharing user level stats that don't include bots/CIB accounts. I refuse to cheerlead inflated protocol stats, without disclosing the difference between users and accounts.
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no one is stopping anyone from doing the analysis of sharing user only accounts, feel free to no one’s asking to cheerlead anything you don’t want :)
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This is what im doing with my experiments. Im just not a fan of normalizing the idea that since Twitter and Instagram share inflated stats, it's ok for us to do the same. If we can't stop the bots/CIB, then at least let's be honest about it, and build solutions.
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The comparison I made was HTTP and SMTP, not Twitter / IG
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I don't disagree with the SMTP comparison. Seems to be headed in that direction, a protocol captured by a single client, with numerous insignificant smaller players. That's not the direction I'd like to see it heading, of course.
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What’s the single client from smtp?
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MS Outlook serves most Fortune 500 companies, the entire banking sector and world governments Superhuman serves tech elites Front serves companies doing customer support over email Gmail is for consumers, and iOS users still use the default mail app
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That's one perspective. But here is a question for you: knowing the dominance Google has, would you go build an SMTP client? Also didn't Neynar start off as a FC client and then you decided to do infrastructure instead?
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Seems like many founders have if you just check the long list of email apps in the App Store? Neynar was NFT media client. We didn’t surface FC content. Used who you follow, similar to Drakula today
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I don't see anyone on here working on an email client. But u know more devs than me. As I've said before, incentives play a crucial role in driving new users and shaping their behavior. It wasn't the move to permissionless that caused the problem, rather, it was the allure of farming and airdrops that attracted CIB.
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Thats why I said App Store, not Farcaster :) Yes, and those will always exist. Someone will make suboptimal incentives at any given time. Same as HTTP and SMTP. Users don’t stop using email because SMTP has spam content. Filters take care of that, same will happen
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I think harmful incentives were allowed to spread because boosting protocol metrics can have positive effects for certain players, but this is me just speculating, and id rather stick to sharing insights using the raw data.
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You’re mixing reporting and permissions There’s no “allowing” or lack of on permissionless protocols, that’s the point You can ask for / build better reports on users vs accounts but that’s decoupled from who has what permissions
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Warpcast dominates the protocol. The team behind the client also builds the protocol and onboards all the users. They filter/nerf accounts without a standardized policy. I specifically can't enjoy other clients because the infrastrucutre they use to build on top of is far behind the filtering WC is doing.
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Yep and we’ll solve that :)
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