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seneca
@seneca
- without nounders, vote is 130 vs 41 - without 4156, vote is 105 vs 41 - 2x more addresses voting for vs against - 3x+ more ppl represented by for addresses vs against - wag, 40, nouncil and the ~40 other addresses are all independent voters - nounders control <10% of total supply try finding another dao where between vcs and founders, they hold <30%. or better yet: try finding a dao managing real $ where the founder vote has ever lost. they don’t exist. i sympathize w the against vote. but calling nouns voting theatrics is dishonest.
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Michael Gingras (lilfrog)
@frog
Its theatre because even if 100x more people voted against, the three parties in wag, nounders, and 4156 could and would have voted this proposal through. minority is powerless, especially when there is no incentive or effort by the big guys to let minority leave (fork proposal failing, everyone and their mom knowing that 30% is too high for true honestly minority to leave as fork is designed). In a sense, the dao is already corrupt. The small guys have no real power when 3 people can routinely control enough of the vote to push through whatever they want. They are just nice enough to let us play when most of the votes are relatively inconsequential
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wylin
@wylin
my only critique here would be to separate Wag from the “cabal” it’s fair to say he’s a heavyweight, but the only time he’s used it was to defeat $nouns (which was released anyways) & upvote $⌐◧-◧ if you go through his VWRs (mostly abstains for the sake of commenting) and his Farcaster replies, he’s been openly critical of the Foundation and behind-the-scenes collusion remains to be seen if he votes on the DUNA but based on our private conversations i don’t think he will. an alternative DUNA prop has been discussed several times if i come across as a fanboy, so be it. he’s earned my trust through the alignment of his words to his actions
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seneca
@seneca
false. wag & nounders/41 ea control ~12% of active votes respectively. 25% against would have been enough to win out. also - wag is an independent voter who put forth his own capital and makes his own decisions. we have disagreed many times over. the disagreement here seems to be that your pov is rooted in this one proposal. i invite you to look at the history of nouns and you'll see a game where no one player has controlled the dao indefinitely. re: minority: 30% is by definition a minority. that it doesn't apply today due to inactivity is a diff convo. i would have liked a smoother transition (personally advocated hard for 10% prop) but alas, none of these things exists in silos. last: it's unfair to say 'no incentive or effort'. from day 0 we've gone to great lengths to protect the game (discord, fork, etc). today, everyone is making hard decisions for what we think is best for nouns 10 years down the line. to paint a picture of malice is immature.
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