franco
@francos.eth
I agree with @typeof.eth both in the general point and the logical soundness of it. Correct me if im misunderstanding any side. The way I see this discussion unfolding: @ryanfmason argues: - The U.S. founders invented the idea of universal human rights (or something like it). - When countered that they got it from Locke, he replies: even if they were influenced by Locke, they still invented something new. - He uses the idea that “influence doesn’t cancel invention” to defend calling the U.S. the “inventor” of universal rights. @typeof.eth replies: - exactly—you’re demonstrating that no one “invented” universal human rights out of thin air. It was a cumulative intellectual evolution, not an American invention. - “You’re making my point for me” implies: the existence of influence undermines the notion of a single, original inventor—especially when the influence goes all the way back to antiquity and through multiple thinkers.
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@zoo
also they studied the governance of the native americans, and largely drew their ideas for democracy from that, not from christian ideology
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franco
@francos.eth
I didn’t know about this! Could you point me to a resource on this?
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https://www.perplexity.ai/search/was-american-democracy-influen-VAsSKdKQRKSRoN31xiehEg#0 https://atlantaciviccircle.org/2021/11/17/native-americas-influence-on-american-democracy/
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