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Erik Torenberg
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Why are there so many leftists within crypto? As Solana says in his bankless episode, crypto disintermediates and reduces the power of the state. I get why libertarians and rightists like crypto, but why leftists? Leftists should want state power to enact leftist policy goals if they care about leftist outcomes.
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links 🏴
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Do you believe all “leftists” are for more state control?
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Erik Torenberg
@erik
I believe that all leftists who want leftist outcomes should want more state intervention, unless they don’t actually want leftist outcomes, since most leftist outcomes don’t arise without it. Which left? The modern left in power in the US, as opposed to some idealized or historical or niche version
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I reject any US-centric definition of “left”. Your left in power are pretty right-leaning by most of the world’s definition. Your left in media is extreme to the nth degree. So when I say left, I mean embracing new ideas (progressive not regressive) and personal freedoms over economic freedoms. Crypto falls between the two examples I stated. It is a new idea (so progressive) and enhances economic freedom (so right).
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Erik Torenberg
@erik
To reject US left is to reject the strongest left in the world which tells me again we are not talking about how the world actually operates, which is what I’m interested in in this conversation, not a historical or idealized or niche version. Although those versions are very interesting too in their own right, and I value personal freedoms and new ideas
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Yeah and there was a time when Marvel movies were the absolute juggernauts at the box office and we ended up with only superhero movies for a decade. Which is not to diminish the US in anyway, but to say that just because something is big right now doesn't mean it's the only thing worth talking about. It's narrow. If you think current US politics is the be-all end-all of politics, you're no different than those people who called Rome "the eternal city" all those millennia ago. But as you said, you're not interested in that discussion. Appreciate your responses and hope you find someone who wants to speak about the same things as you.
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