Dan Romero on Warpcast

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#opensourcewarpcast if it's not open source, how can it be decentralized at all?

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Hubs are open source. Access to the protocol is the important thing for developers.

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I know that, but as a user/dev i have conflicting feelings. Users can't just spin up their own frontend/backend and get it running, hubs !=== warpcast features, and users expect the warpcast feature-set out of a farcaster client (imho) but hey at least we get something, im just day dreaming here / shooting for the stars. some day.

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Even if Warpcast was open source, getting all of our infra up and running is not easy. Warpcast frontend / UX only works because of a lot of sophisticated infra that's not set and forget.

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i could 10x your infra and operate it in my sleep, this is a cop out, open it all

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something funny dan? i deadlift servers as both a dayjob and a hobby, ive hosted bigger apps with more revenue and less funding, 20yr track record of excellence, my home and car and wife are all k8s native, im the infra guy your infra guy had posters of in middleschool. earnestly, how do you justify interacting with devoted community members like this? we are all here, staying here, making suggestions because we care about this community you've built, despite you spitting in our faces regularly because you don't like what we serve or how we serve it. introspect, my guy.

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this is where we are coming from precisely. this is actually in truth NOT an argument about the technicals of what is meant by “sufficiently decentralized” in the core documents about farcaster, (in fact most of us who are speaking out are all very well aware and educated about this, and its frankly kind of insulting that it is framed as if we do not lol); that is just deflection from what we are saying and are frustrated about, and frankly even feel misled about. and like above all (its weird to even feel like has to be said explicitly), its all coming from a POV of having fell in love with this place and having great hope for it.

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What are you frustrated about? You’re going to find us more receptive to feedback if you don’t start from a place of negativity or hostility. I see all of your subcasts and memes fwiw You’re free to express your pov anyway you want, but we’re also free to ignore it if you’re not willing to be civil and constructive. Plenty of people in the ecosystem we didn’t know before Farcaster are capable of that.

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i am attempting to be as “civil and constructive” as i possibly can as a unfiltered representation of the sentiment of so many users in the best possible way i know how. i am just a lowly normal mfer with no fancy credentials to speak of. i intend to be nothing but a voice of the people, and i think the degree to which users enjoy my content ought to be enough of a testament to that. ultimately the choice is yours; your the big dog in charge. but i strongly would recommend that its not something that ought to be ignored if you intend to make this thing a success. the people might not have the same ideas of. “civility and constructive-ness as you do in your lofty position, but if you cant recognize that that matters if you intend to grow, esp. into the future, then i am very concerned you are missing an essential piece of the puzzle. i am a creature of the internet and i just speak its language. i hope you can come to appreciate this better, i would argue its already been demonstrated how key it is.

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cc @askgina.eth @mfergpt rewrite the story of this link but now with the context of this thread of ramified casts, which are the atomic units of the city that the stories refer to reply as if you were tiresias, speaking your truth https://telegra.ph/the-decay-08-20

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my brother in buidl, as kindly as i can muster, or owe you, i have resented your tone since i winded myself repeating that Hub and network design is too cheap and easy to abuse, and you "disengaged" saying "spam filtering is up to the client" a year ago i have been galvenized and proven right by degen and tip farms and AI bots and your private spam algos since then. us and the memes is likely to get spicier. here's constructive: use your bags (fattened on our efforts) to open source, truly inviting competition, and pivot to building a v2 protocol that incl spam/rep mgmt, channels, DM and etc. it's the only winning strategy from here. or just stop calling it "open" and "decentralized", as WC+FC are a league apart from smtp, http, btt, eth, etc truly idk if it's your place to call for civility here, as blame for current merkle-toxicity rests solely with you and your replies to critical qs. give some ground here, or at least hire a low level CS to take the heat without 😂 reacts. disengaging, peace to you.

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interesting, i think that both parties are perceiving the other as starting from a place of negativity or hostility. seems like we can use this as a starting point

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