China has become a science / engineering super power over the past 20 years

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/06/12/china-has-become-a-scientific-superpower

Is this a reasonable measure? Top 1% by number of citations, but these citations are not mediated by _who_ is citing the papers. Outside of any specific nation, it's known to be a problem that people will play citations games with their peers to bolster credibility:

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Is this a reasonable measure? Top 1% by number of citations, but these citations are not mediated by _who_ is citing the papers. Outside of any specific nation, it's known to be a problem that people will play citations games with their peers to bolster credibility: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/science/science-journal-pulls-60-papers-in-peer-review-fraud.html

To be honest, i'm not sure if it is or not - i don't know. However, i'd say that it is a theme as a part of a larger theme of the growth that China as a whole as experienced. Take growth of the High Speed Rail network from 2008 to present

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Certainly, China's growth is amazing to see, I just question specifically the use of citations as a metric for any country outpacing another in research, as that number can and frequently does get abused. Shenzhen of course is one of the models of how much growth can be achieved in a few decades:

yeah agreed about the citations as a metric

though i still standby China's general focus on dominating STEM research over the coming decades

yeah agreed about the citations as a metric

https://www.nber.org/papers/w32468

Hope you can come to China for a visit oneday:)