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Ben
@benersing
Help me and my wife settle a debate...
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@m-j-r.eth
it's pretty difficult to argue that a 2 month old infant completely thinks, but let me try. there should be object tracking at short distance, sounds should startle, and aversion to open space (though again, that doesn't really sound like cognition). they're thinking helplessly.
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Ben
@benersing
All those items are just responses to external stimuli
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@m-j-r.eth
right, and that might be reasonable, but I think it would be very difficult to invalidate qualia when helpless & handicapped. a person with locked-in syndrome is thinking by definition, but they're incapable of any indication of cognition. EEG can be measured in either case.
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Ben
@benersing
But a person with locked-in syndrome has presumably acquired language and uses that to formulate thoughts, no?
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@m-j-r.eth
I wonder if that's necessary. consider Genie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child))
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Ben
@benersing
Then how does one think without words? It's like trying to swim without water or breathe without air
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@m-j-r.eth
this passage in particular sticks out to me (sound being of particular significance & clear signs of recognition). however, not a 2-month old level of cognition but a whole year. anecdotally, I'm sure there's an emotive cognition (e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8530275/) & obviously kinesthetics.
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