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This may be the strongest case for authoritarianism: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/how-liberal-democracy-might-lose Basically: the war for people's hearts and minds has no stable equilibrium except local hegemony of one dominant elite, much like (and for the same reasons as) what Hobbes pointed out for regular war.
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The premise is flawed because the US is no longer a liberal democracy, it's an oligarchy/plutocracy and an inefficient one at that Not surprising that system may lose in competition with a more systematic, organized form of command-and-control economy that doesn't need to maintain a facade
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Got to similar conclusions so far, really looks like one to me - because of how little choice people have and all those institutions like SEC and others that highly benefit certain kinds of people vs most of the country
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Don't think it's about maintaining a facade though, but about a lot of resources being spent on noise coming from people of different backgrounds, religion and views - which have nothing do to really with our biology, human needs and growth. And then all of it getting through a bureaucracy that's slowing down things
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It all comes down to money. If you're wondering why a particular thing in America is the way it is (despite negative externalities) look at where the profit motive is
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agree, question is would it be the same if we move onchain and everything becomes permissionless and transparent I think corporations would struggle since everyone could start business right away without lobbying politicians for decades
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It would probably help, but not sure it would fix the main problem if we keep govt and political campaigns working the same way Right now it's already fairly transparent that special interests are funding political campaigns, and then in office the politicians serve those special interests who got them elected
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so your take is that it’s hopeless? I think things will change once crypto is adopted Like this year trump takes crypto donations, which means anyone in the world, even without a bank account can basically vote for him with money lol
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It's not hopeless, I just don't feel crypto is a magic bullet for this specific problem. We need to overturn Citizens United, and enact a new constitutional amendment that says corporations are not people in the context of campaign contributions.
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Also re: Trump donations - he will be legally required by election law to ensure the crypto is coming from US citizens. It's not like he'll just put out a public Ethereum address that literally anyone in the world can send money to
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inb4 someone creates an "intent" market for US citizens to act as proxies and donate $X to Trump in exchange for getting $X * 1.05 from a foreigner. (I think for this reason, in the long run donations to politicians will have to be done through MACI-esque or other un-provable means, similar to voting)
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MACI sounds really smart, limit amount donated and how many times it can be etc. but would that technology matter as much when people can still be bought? if there's a big enough opponent - they'll find a way to get to you through a proxy or something else to get what they want
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politics is a really weird thing, donating money to it like it's a charity or a church, where the person then speaks in public and signs papers that other people put in front of him
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