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This may be the strongest case for authoritarianism: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/how-liberal-democracy-might-lose Basically: the war for people's hearts and minds has no stable equilibrium except local hegemony of one dominant elite, much like (and for the same reasons as) what Hobbes pointed out for regular war.

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Hobbes: state of anarchy -> war of all against all -> governing elite with monopoly of force Noah (Nobbes?): state of info anarchy -> info war of all against all -> governing elite with monopoly of memes

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I don't like the article right from the get up because Noah is wrong. He was raised In a liberal democracy that defeated authoritarianism yet 35% of his income is taken from a barrel of a gun to pay for socialist causes. Communism is dead? Poppycock. Imperialism is gone until US needs oil. CCP exists...

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From my european perspective, what China has achieved economically is incredible, although socially it still scares me. On the other hand, the military tentacles of the US, with 750 military bases in more than 80 countries, also frighten me.

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The biggest, strongest and potentially the most dangerous empire got created in the 20th century and is still alive. And Noah thinks imperialism collapsed? Sorry but didn't read the rest. Noah in general favors "western supremacy", nothing new to see there.

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IMO, the issues in western democracies the article mentions are more the result of neoliberalism than a lack of authoritarianism Inversely, authoritarianism doesn't guarantee a country will prosper like China. Plenty of examples on the contrary Sidenote, wish I could pay for just one article instead of having to sub

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in case of a bigger country probably a goal, nation mindset issue haven't seen US as a country thriving for growth in a while, only decelerate for smaller countries liberalism basically let's any bigger guys to flow more money in than the country can manage on it's own and then just take over it by buying votes

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"hearts and minds" will remain more capricious than any one system can handle, and authoritarianism is countered by risk/reward of stealthily defecting.

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The premise is flawed because the US is no longer a liberal democracy, it's an oligarchy/plutocracy and an inefficient one at that Not surprising that system may lose in competition with a more systematic, organized form of command-and-control economy that doesn't need to maintain a facade

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It feels to me like authoritarianism works when it gets to leech off of capitalistic liberal democracies, in terms of innovation, liquidity, and education. It’s hard to imagine a world where an authoritarian hegemon is the sociocultural epicenter of the world, but maybe that’s my bias.

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Interesting to contrast this with Fukuyama's own argument for democracy as the equilibrium, which is quite theoretical and involved.

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Disagree. It isn’t a one way road. That’s a flawed perspective. Culture, ideas, genetics, are ever-changing. Diversity is the blossoming of innovation. I associate more with Rousseau’s perspective of malleability. Hobbes took inspiration from much earlier, Han Fei. The Chinese legalist philosopher.

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Very few have the ability to be free and liberal. Humans fear freedom in its true sense. They can't comprehend it and fear the unknown. The reason why organised religions and authoritarian regimes have thrived.

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Thanks for the interesting share. i agree with your opinion

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